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Comment on ABC debate reaction by Jacosta

Jacosta — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:27:11 +0000

Objectively, taking out any bias:
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1st) Romney
2nd) Gingrich
3rd) Santorum (or a close tie with Newt, like 8 votes behind)
4th) Paul
5th) Perry
6th) Huntsman

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:43:26 +0000

just seems to be uptight to me. He needs to have some sense of humor. I like the guy, however. Just needs to loosen up,

Comment on ABC News/Yahoo!/WMUR debate open thread by Gary Russell

Gary Russell — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:35:24 +0000

Pithy? C’mon, it you’re gonna hate on Santorum, at least use your attack words correctly!

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Gary Russell

Gary Russell — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:25:37 +0000

As usual, we all think that our personal favorite did the best.
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I only got to have one ear tuned to the debate, since the Russell crew were engaged in a fierce game of dominoes (and I’m the only political junkie in the family).
But, from what I was able to gather, both Romneycare and Santorum held their own very nicely.
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I loved the line that Santorum used when RP’s mike blared feedback for the third or fourth time: “It knows that you’re lying about me!”
Brian said that Santorum was stiff…didn’t seem that way to me. If he had been “loose”, would he have seemed unpresidential?

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Gary Russell

Gary Russell — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:20:29 +0000

Brian, it IS a bad place to be when you take into consideration the fact that 70% of the electorate has desparately been holding open auditions for ANYBODY who shares their view.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Gary Russell

Gary Russell — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:18:25 +0000

Nope, Scott. Presidential elections are NOT won in the middle.
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Again, I suggest some good reading:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/safe-moderate-electable_616153.html?page=2
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Not saying that I agree with 100% of this article, but the gist of it is right on target. Safe, middle candidates rarely defeat incumbents.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:00:30 +0000

That statement alone should tell Whodat all he needs to know.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Troy La Mana

Troy La Mana — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:58:38 +0000

I think Santorum hit it out of the park when he said, ”Mitt, there are no classes in America we are all Americans!”

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Troy La Mana

Troy La Mana — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:56:45 +0000

Because Whodat and I are right.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Whodat

Whodat — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:53:55 +0000

Whatever. It is not up to us. Romneycare is the only candidate who faces other candidates who carry a “not Romney” lable. That fact, plus pundit analysis, tells me that Romney has a base and past that, he has some serious resistance. As a person who likes him least, except for Kookieman, of course, I am among those and can relate to those who want somebody, anybody, other than the Mass Moderate, Super-Flipper, Socialized medicine shoving Romneycare. If there was an active “ABS” (anybody but Santorum) movement, I would acknowledge. But, the news and the views of this blog and many news outlets is about the “anybody but Romney” reality. I did not make it up. I am just part of it.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:52:32 +0000

You didn’t miss anything. He did. A bit early for March Madness, but, for Newt, Madness seems to be there every month.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by T Baker

T Baker — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:45:56 +0000

Did I miss something or did Newt make an error beyond calling tonight the basketball championship? BCS championship is Monday night.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Promisekept

Promisekept — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:42:01 +0000

Big answer: I’m not sure how Brazille rates the weakness of the other candidates, but I’m very sure the “Constitutional-professor” would have a terrible time defending his record against Dr. Paul, as to where in the Constitution he finds ANY justification for most of what he has done during his time in either office he has occupied.
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Sadly, that is far more often the other candidate’s problem also; but so far all attacks against Paul have been peripheral. No one, so far, has offered any challenges against Paul’s clear reading of the highest law of the land. They’re mainly on him over his specific application of our Constitution as the only legitimate, legal remedy for our ills, that we all ought to agree on.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:34:52 +0000

Whodat. You are sounding like a Paulitte here, not understanding what should be not very difficult to understand. Nobody trashed any poll composite. Scott is simply pointing out that having the top spot at 30% in a 6 horse field is necessarily a bad thing. Statistically if all were even each horse would be at 16%. Almost 1/3 of GOP voters like Romney among a 6 horse field. That is not a bad place to be.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Scott A. Robinson, Editor

Scott A. Robinson, Editor — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:33:20 +0000

It’s not what I like or dislike, rather my analysis. The last time I mentioned preference for a candidate on PD it wasn’t for Romney.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Scott A. Robinson, Editor

Scott A. Robinson, Editor — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:30:32 +0000

I’m not trashing anything. The Composite at the masthead is how things are today. However, as I said, when there are fewer candidates, the leaders’ numbers will go up.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Whodat

Whodat — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:25:40 +0000

So, now you trash the poll at the masthead YOU edit because it reports results you do not like. Have you ever considered a media position at NPR, ABC, NBC or the New York Times? You might be a perfect fit!

Comment on ABC News/Yahoo!/WMUR debate open thread by T Baker

T Baker — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:24:52 +0000

Does that make Santorum’s disapproval go from 74% to about 76%?

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:24:31 +0000

No spears, Whodat. But, when you say “70% of reject the Mass Moderate” you sound like Troy La Mana. You assume because a lead on a large field of candidates is not 100% then that means that Mitt is disliked by the “70%”. Just because people prefer another candidate should not be an interpretation that they reject Mitt alone, should it? Does that mean 80% of “my guys” reject Santorum, or 96% reject Perry, or 90% reject Paul.
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You are using fuzzy math to make a point that is not valid, comrade.

Comment on Saturday open thread by AWB

AWB — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:21:47 +0000

I agree with Troy. Putting the newest comment at the top is annoying. It makes the conversation hard to follow.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Scott A. Robinson, Editor

Scott A. Robinson, Editor — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:20:20 +0000

It’s a fractured poll. Early primary polls always looks like this when there are 6 choices. If there were only 2 or 3, he’d likely poll far above 30%. Do you see anyone else with more than 30%?

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Whodat

Whodat — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:17:05 +0000

O.K., I am all wrong. Did you notice the masthead poll? After 6 years of campaigning and millions of dollars spent, Romneycare is all the way up to 30% – which means that 70% of my guys reject the Mass Moderate. I will hide among them so your spears can’t find me.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Stephen

Stephen — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:12:53 +0000

Romney, untouchable.
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Paul was in attack mode, not really a good thing. He should have let the other candidates do the attacking.
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Perry wants to invade iraq again?? Seriously?
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Gingrich, nothing new.
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Huntsman has a likability deficit.
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Santorum is just… uptight.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Brian H

Brian H — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:10:17 +0000

So you now believe Donna B. when she says Mitt is the one that the DNC wants to run against Obama? Santorum lived in Iowa and visited every county. He does not have the time or resources to do that in the other 49. Perhaps if those who love Santorum now had shown some love early on he could have built the kind of war-chest and organization one needs to compete at a national level. Why Santorum now? He has been in this fight for some time, in every debate, but, only now have the “conservatives” realized that their guy was right there all along, on the complete left of the debate stage?

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Scott A. Robinson, Editor

Scott A. Robinson, Editor — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:05:02 +0000

Brazille is clueless. Speaking purely strategically, Presidential elections are won in the middle. Republicans generally always vote Republican and Democrats vote Democrat. The leaves the 20-30% of voters who identify themselves as Kaiser, I mean, “moderate” or “independent”, where the election is won. Mitt Romney, as the more moderate candidate is clearly the person most likely to garner these votes.

Comment on ABC News/Yahoo!/WMUR debate open thread by Scott A. Robinson, Editor

Scott A. Robinson, Editor — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:02:55 +0000

Brazille is clueless. Speaking purely strategically, Presidential elections are won in the middle. Republicans generally always vote Republican and Democrats vote Democrat. The leaves the 20-30% of voters who identify themselves as Kaiser, I mean, “moderate” or “independent to where the election is won. Mitt Romney, as the more moderate candidate is clearly the person most likely to garner these votes.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by JOEW

JOEW — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:02:53 +0000

Paul was a little fiesty tonight. Liked it Newt is a Chickenhawk! Loved it.

Comment on ABC debate reaction by Whodat

Whodat — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:02:23 +0000

Roney is always eloquent in conservative boilerplate baloney. But, while his rhetoric is nice, it is as thin as ice, devoid of specifics and, for about 70%, uninspiring. I am still among those who see him as an empty suit with lots of money.
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Big question: Why did Donna Brazille, Democrat icon, who said tonight that Romney is the weakest candidate that Dems would prefer to face?
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I worked many years as blue collar before I got that college degree. Santorum is the only Republican who talks about blue collar people as if they are important.