Mitt Romney and his newly minted running-mate Paul Ryan paid a visit to Ryan’s home state of Wisconsin and spoke to an energetic throng in the thousands.

The debate schedule has been announced, with three Presidential and one VP debate, all in the month of October. Jim Lehrer, Candy Crowley, Bob Schieffer, and Martha Raddatz will be the moderators.

And finally, Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan’s predecessor as the GOP VP nominee, will not have a speaking role at the Republican Convention. That will almost certainly decrease the number of times “you betcha” will be heard in Tampa.

Comments

  • Anonymous

    The age ploy is the last act of a desperate candidate.

  • Anonymous

    The age ploy is the last act of a desperate candidate.

  • Anonymous

    Romney lost the Debate War already.  It is so liberally bias it’s not funny.  There should be at least one Fox moderated debate.

    • Anonymous

      I disagree, Troy. I think both Romney and Ryan are smart enough and skilled enough to redirect the debate into a serious minded debate on the important issues, and, may even expose the lefties for the hacks they are. Also, I hope both learned a thing or two from Angry-Newt.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t disagree with you but it does mean they have to fight the Liberal bias in every debate question.  

        I am just saying it would have been nice to have the shoe on the other foot for at least one debate.

        • Anonymous

          I agree with you 100%. They are going to have to not only fight the bias in every question but expose it. Do not attempt to engage questions that are designed around a false premise.

  • Anonymous

    Romney lost the Debate War already.  It is so liberally bias it’s not funny.  There should be at least one Fox moderated debate.

    • Anonymous

      I disagree, Troy. I think both Romney and Ryan are smart enough and skilled enough to redirect the debate into a serious minded debate on the important issues, and, may even expose the lefties for the hacks they are. Also, I hope both learned a thing or two from Angry-Newt.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t disagree with you but it does mean they have to fight the Liberal bias in every debate question.  

        I am just saying it would have been nice to have the shoe on the other foot for at least one debate.

        • Anonymous

          I agree with you 100%. They are going to have to not only fight the bias in every question but expose it. Do not attempt to engage questions that are designed around a false premise.

  • German Observer

    I bet you
    all have already been waiting for the two cents from overseas regarding the
    Ryan-pick. So here it is, even with some discount.

     

    First, Ryan
    seems to be an intelligent and serious guy. So, in that regard Romney proves to
    be much more responsible than McCain was. I don’t particulary like the idea that
    Ryan might be a heartbeat away from the presidency, but the thought that Palin
    might be a heartbeat from the presidency scared me to death last time.

     

    Second, whether
    you like it or not, picking Ryan is a sign of desperation. If Romney had felt
    confident he had played it safe and picked Portman or Pawlently. But he knew
    that he had to change something, as extrapolating the status quo (e.g. chosing
    Portman, Pawlently etc.) would end in defeat.

     

    So, was
    that a smart move? Remains to be seen. I’m almost certain, that this will
    backfire and might be the decisive event like the Palin-nomination was four
    years ago. In short term we will see a rise in the polls. This is always to be
    expected and it will be supported by the convention in a few weeks. But in the
    long term, I’m pretty sure, Ryan will be a problem. He makes Romney look old. He
    supports the impression, that the Republicans are a party of wealthy whites.
    Which is probably most important: he draws the attention to himself and
    detracts it from Romney. Ryan has a shaped profile, Romney does not. So the
    contrast makes this even more visible. And then comes the baggage Ryan is
    carrying. Its obvious that the democrats will cut his plan in pieces, who
    wouldn’t? And this shifts the core of the discussion away from the economy
    towards the more basic question of social justice. Fine! Its foreseeable that R
    and R will lose especially among independents and elder people. Obama couldn’t
    have asked for more, I guess.

     

    And finally,
    what I like about the Ryan-pick is, that – at least in theory – it opens the
    possibility for a broad discourse about in which society you want to live. This
    would be a golden opportunity to have a deep and facetted discussion about the “right”
    way. Is an Attlas-shrugged-shaped-philosophy the right way, where egoism is seen as morally
    not only justified, but even as a goal. Or should it be aspired
    to have an organization of society which is more solidarity-based – which might
    mean to ask from some more than from others.

    I mean, its so foreseeable that this
    discussion will not really take place, as it is campaign-time and both sides
    will throw in all the demagogic bollocks the usually do. Oh, Obama is a
    socialist? Crap. Romney is heartless? I don’t really believe so. But in principle
    this would be the time to have this debate on a broad basis.
     

    • Alaina

      What’s your issue with Ryan being a heartbeat away from the Presidency?  Is it because you disagree with his politics or because he you don’t think he’s qualified?

      As for your second point, I don’t think anyone would deny that Romney chose Ryan to change the discussion.  Both Romney and Obama have been stuck at roughly the same levels for months… someone needed to make a move other than calling the other candidate a murder or a felon.

      I’m sure there are some out there that care about how old Romney is compared to how young Ryan is, but I think those people would probably vote for Romney and Ryan because Ryan is insanely hot.

      I don’t think the Dems will have such an easy time picking apart Ryan.  The problem with their current approach is that they are stooping so low (Romney murdered a woman that died with cancer, he didn’t pay his taxes for 10 years, he’s a felon, etc.) that when the country really starts to pay attention after the convention, the Dems won’t have any credibility.  As long as our ads can keep up with theirs, we’ll be fine. 

      In addition, Ryan is not Palin.  Palin comes across as a nice person with good values, but there doesn’t seem to be much substance once you get past the thin surface.  Ryan comes across as extraordinarily genuine (because he is) and more knowledgagble than anyone else on the issues (because he is) and treats people like adults (which most seem to appreciate).

      • German Observer

        First, my heartbeat-issue is that I don’t agree with his politics. Wether or not he is qualified, I don’t really know. Anyway this remark much more was a reminiscenc to Palin, who definetly was not qualified and thus dangerous at the spot mc Cain had put her to. In that sense, this was meant as a sort of a compliment as Romney dealt this matter with more responsibility (hm, less would have been impossible).

        Alaina, you think Ryan is what? Hot??? Okay, I prefer women and so I’m out if the game, but generallly he looks like the brown-noser, that his classmates called him. By the way, just out of semi-professional curiousity, is there any democrat that you would call ‘hot’?

        As to the question how well Ryan would play for the Republican cause in the long run, first let me say, as you mentioned that, that the Soptic-ad was far off and disgusting, no doubt about it. Period. But be prepared to see a very nasty, very negative campaign, from both sides. The Republicands indeed do have a tradition in playing dirty, so I expect a lot to come … And, the question if and how many taxes Romney paid is not irrelevant at all.

        But coming to the basic question: yes you are right, Ryan is no Palin. He seems to be smart, intellectual, articulate, has manners etc. … As a liberal I can say, that I don’t agree with his oppinions and politics, but may accept him as an adult representative of the party, that I wouldn’t vote for. Fair enough, as this was not the case with Palin and not with Bush II. Seen from a strategists viewpoint my argument is two basic points: first, his agenda plays in the hands of the Obama-campaign, second, Ryan as a candidate overshaddows Romney.

        Regarding my first point, as I said in my original post, to this point the election seemed to thrive into a referendum about Obama and wether or not he deserves a second term. Ryan reshapes this race so that this will be a referendum about the extent of social wellfare, a thing that team Obama would love to discuss. And regarding to my second point, a good VP-candidate adds something to the ticket without distracting from the main-candidate. In this case Ryan has more profile, is better shaped, might even be more articulate. People sooner or later will ask who is the cook and who is the waiter. Personally I don’t believe that Ryan’s ambition and passion will preclude him to stay in the second line, though he will show some discipline. Plus, he will have no chance to stay the real no. two, who only supports his boss, as his plan know has become Romneys.

    • Gururussell

      GO:  You say, “Its obvious that the democrats will cut his plan in pieces, whowouldn’t?”

      Easy answer:  Obama.
      Have you SEEN this?
      http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/12759-video-watch-paul-ryan-destroy-obama-and-obamacare-in-6-minutes/

      • Anonymous

        That is why Liberals are scared of Paul Ryan, he knows how to tear apart their  policies in common sense language.

    • Gururussell

      How can you say that Ryan makes Romney look old?
      In all of my critiques of Romney, I’ve never felt that he looks old, tired, or aged.
      Everytime I see something that reminds me of his age, I’m actually surprised to remember that he isn’t younger. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree, Gary. I look at Romney and see a young looking fit man with hair. Characteristics I wish I possessed. Seriously. Who looks older? Obama or Mitt? 

  • German Observer

    I bet you
    all have already been waiting for the two cents from overseas regarding the
    Ryan-pick. So here it is, even with some discount.

     

    First, Ryan
    seems to be an intelligent and serious guy. So, in that regard Romney proves to
    be much more responsible than McCain was. I don’t particulary like the idea that
    Ryan might be a heartbeat away from the presidency, but the thought that Palin
    might be a heartbeat from the presidency scared me to death last time.

     

    Second, whether
    you like it or not, picking Ryan is a sign of desperation. If Romney had felt
    confident he had played it safe and picked Portman or Pawlently. But he knew
    that he had to change something, as extrapolating the status quo (e.g. chosing
    Portman, Pawlently etc.) would end in defeat.

     

    So, was
    that a smart move? Remains to be seen. I’m almost certain, that this will
    backfire and might be the decisive event like the Palin-nomination was four
    years ago. In short term we will see a rise in the polls. This is always to be
    expected and it will be supported by the convention in a few weeks. But in the
    long term, I’m pretty sure, Ryan will be a problem. He makes Romney look old. He
    supports the impression, that the Republicans are a party of wealthy whites.
    Which is probably most important: he draws the attention to himself and
    detracts it from Romney. Ryan has a shaped profile, Romney does not. So the
    contrast makes this even more visible. And then comes the baggage Ryan is
    carrying. Its obvious that the democrats will cut his plan in pieces, who
    wouldn’t? And this shifts the core of the discussion away from the economy
    towards the more basic question of social justice. Fine! Its foreseeable that R
    and R will lose especially among independents and elder people. Obama couldn’t
    have asked for more, I guess.

     

    And finally,
    what I like about the Ryan-pick is, that – at least in theory – it opens the
    possibility for a broad discourse about in which society you want to live. This
    would be a golden opportunity to have a deep and facetted discussion about the “right”
    way. Is an Attlas-shrugged-shaped-philosophy the right way, where egoism is seen as morally
    not only justified, but even as a goal. Or should it be aspired
    to have an organization of society which is more solidarity-based – which might
    mean to ask from some more than from others.

    I mean, its so foreseeable that this
    discussion will not really take place, as it is campaign-time and both sides
    will throw in all the demagogic bollocks the usually do. Oh, Obama is a
    socialist? Crap. Romney is heartless? I don’t really believe so. But in principle
    this would be the time to have this debate on a broad basis.
     

    • Alaina

      What’s your issue with Ryan being a heartbeat away from the Presidency?  Is it because you disagree with his politics or because he you don’t think he’s qualified?

      As for your second point, I don’t think anyone would deny that Romney chose Ryan to change the discussion.  Both Romney and Obama have been stuck at roughly the same levels for months… someone needed to make a move other than calling the other candidate a murder or a felon.

      I’m sure there are some out there that care about how old Romney is compared to how young Ryan is, but I think those people would probably vote for Romney and Ryan because Ryan is insanely hot.

      I don’t think the Dems will have such an easy time picking apart Ryan.  The problem with their current approach is that they are stooping so low (Romney murdered a woman that died with cancer, he didn’t pay his taxes for 10 years, he’s a felon, etc.) that when the country really starts to pay attention after the convention, the Dems won’t have any credibility.  As long as our ads can keep up with theirs, we’ll be fine. 

      In addition, Ryan is not Palin.  Palin comes across as a nice person with good values, but there doesn’t seem to be much substance once you get past the thin surface.  Ryan comes across as extraordinarily genuine (because he is) and more knowledgagble than anyone else on the issues (because he is) and treats people like adults (which most seem to appreciate).

      • German Observer

        First, my heartbeat-issue is that I don’t agree with his politics. Wether or not he is qualified, I don’t really know. Anyway this remark much more was a reminiscenc to Palin, who definetly was not qualified and thus dangerous at the spot mc Cain had put her to. In that sense, this was meant as a sort of a compliment as Romney dealt this matter with more responsibility (hm, less would have been impossible).

        Alaina, you think Ryan is what? Hot??? Okay, I prefer women and so I’m out if the game, but generallly he looks like the brown-noser, that his classmates called him. By the way, just out of semi-professional curiousity, is there any democrat that you would call ‘hot’?

        As to the question how well Ryan would play for the Republican cause in the long run, first let me say, as you mentioned that, that the Soptic-ad was far off and disgusting, no doubt about it. Period. But be prepared to see a very nasty, very negative campaign, from both sides. The Republicands indeed do have a tradition in playing dirty, so I expect a lot to come … And, the question if and how many taxes Romney paid is not irrelevant at all.

        But coming to the basic question: yes you are right, Ryan is no Palin. He seems to be smart, intellectual, articulate, has manners etc. … As a liberal I can say, that I don’t agree with his oppinions and politics, but may accept him as an adult representative of the party, that I wouldn’t vote for. Fair enough, as this was not the case with Palin and not with Bush II. Seen from a strategists viewpoint my argument is two basic points: first, his agenda plays in the hands of the Obama-campaign, second, Ryan as a candidate overshaddows Romney.

        Regarding my first point, as I said in my original post, to this point the election seemed to thrive into a referendum about Obama and wether or not he deserves a second term. Ryan reshapes this race so that this will be a referendum about the extent of social wellfare, a thing that team Obama would love to discuss. And regarding to my second point, a good VP-candidate adds something to the ticket without distracting from the main-candidate. In this case Ryan has more profile, is better shaped, might even be more articulate. People sooner or later will ask who is the cook and who is the waiter. Personally I don’t believe that Ryan’s ambition and passion will preclude him to stay in the second line, though he will show some discipline. Plus, he will have no chance to stay the real no. two, who only supports his boss, as his plan know has become Romneys.

    • Gururussell

      GO:  You say, “Its obvious that the democrats will cut his plan in pieces, whowouldn’t?”

      Easy answer:  Obama.
      Have you SEEN this?
      http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/12759-video-watch-paul-ryan-destroy-obama-and-obamacare-in-6-minutes/

      • Anonymous

        That is why Liberals are scared of Paul Ryan, he knows how to tear apart their  policies in common sense language.

    • Gururussell

      How can you say that Ryan makes Romney look old?
      In all of my critiques of Romney, I’ve never felt that he looks old, tired, or aged.
      Everytime I see something that reminds me of his age, I’m actually surprised to remember that he isn’t younger. 

      • Anonymous

        I agree, Gary. I look at Romney and see a young looking fit man with hair. Characteristics I wish I possessed. Seriously. Who looks older? Obama or Mitt? 

  • Alaina

    The Wisconsin rally was incredible!  And the one in North Carolina… the crowd that these two are pulling in is crazy…

    I’m loving Romney’s new found energy since Saturday… he has an extra pep in his step and is much more exciting to listen to…

    • dw

      Yeah, but the Palin effect was about the same for McCain. There was even a lot of internet chatter about Hillary supporters might move to McCain, only because of Palin. How’d that work out for McCain?

      • Alaina

        Yeah… because Palin said stupid stuff like, “I can see Russia from my backyard.”  They didn’t move to Palin because she made a lot of mistakes in many of her interviews and that turned people off.

        Ryan is different.  He rarely, if ever, makes mistakes and he has a better command of our fiscal issues than anyone… he runs circles around reporters and others when he’s challenged.  Palin could never do that.

        • Gururussell

          Ryan is “mavericky with substance”.

  • Alaina

    The Wisconsin rally was incredible!  And the one in North Carolina… the crowd that these two are pulling in is crazy…

    I’m loving Romney’s new found energy since Saturday… he has an extra pep in his step and is much more exciting to listen to…

    • dw

      Yeah, but the Palin effect was about the same for McCain. There was even a lot of internet chatter about Hillary supporters might move to McCain, only because of Palin. How’d that work out for McCain?

      • Alaina

        Yeah… because Palin said stupid stuff like, “I can see Russia from my backyard.”  They didn’t move to Palin because she made a lot of mistakes in many of her interviews and that turned people off.

        Ryan is different.  He rarely, if ever, makes mistakes and he has a better command of our fiscal issues than anyone… he runs circles around reporters and others when he’s challenged.  Palin could never do that.

        • Gururussell

          Ryan is “mavericky with substance”.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I am about all Palined out. 

    Where was she and who was Sarah before she was put on the ticket? She was brutally attacked and and the GOP base rallied around her to protect her and to defend her? At that point she adopted the rhetoric of the Tea Party but prior to that she was not part of some grand conservative ideological resurgence when she was simply the Governor of Alaska. She was not carrying the water of conservatism. Her rise to the top of the movement was the result of them adopting her more than her adopting them. She was a fighter and a great attack dog during the campaign and she was rewarded by the base for being such. But, an intellectual leader of conservatism, I think not. Somebody that the part needs to showcase and appease, I think not. She represents the social wing of the GOP more than she does the economic wing.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I am about all Palined out. 

    Where was she and who was Sarah before she was put on the ticket? She was brutally attacked and and the GOP base rallied around her to protect her and to defend her? At that point she adopted the rhetoric of the Tea Party but prior to that she was not part of some grand conservative ideological resurgence when she was simply the Governor of Alaska. She was not carrying the water of conservatism. Her rise to the top of the movement was the result of them adopting her more than her adopting them. She was a fighter and a great attack dog during the campaign and she was rewarded by the base for being such. But, an intellectual leader of conservatism, I think not. Somebody that the part needs to showcase and appease, I think not. She represents the social wing of the GOP more than she does the economic wing.

  • Anonymous

    The Wisconsin rally was an amazing event. To see the reception that Ryan got form his peeps was awesome. The best moment however came when an Obama supporter began heckling Romney and forced Romney off his prepared script. Romney said in response…

    “You see, young man, this group here is respectful of other people being heard. And you ought to find yourself a different place to be disruptive because here we believe in listening to people with dignity and respect.”

    Romney accused the Obama campaign of running the “lowest, meanest, negative campaign in history” and then called out Team Obama saying…

    “Mr. President, take your campaign out of the gutter. Let’s talk about the real issues that America faces.”

    This is the Romney we need to see more of over the next 80+ days. He is energized and on message.

  • Anonymous

    The Wisconsin rally was an amazing event. To see the reception that Ryan got form his peeps was awesome. The best moment however came when an Obama supporter began heckling Romney and forced Romney off his prepared script. Romney said in response…

    “You see, young man, this group here is respectful of other people being heard. And you ought to find yourself a different place to be disruptive because here we believe in listening to people with dignity and respect.”

    Romney accused the Obama campaign of running the “lowest, meanest, negative campaign in history” and then called out Team Obama saying…

    “Mr. President, take your campaign out of the gutter. Let’s talk about the real issues that America faces.”

    This is the Romney we need to see more of over the next 80+ days. He is energized and on message.

  • Anonymous

    I have to admit, her 2 minute Palin rap with Tina Fey & Amy Poehler is still the best 2 minutes of SNL for the last decade plus – not that there are many quality moments beyond it.

  • Anonymous

    I have to admit, her 2 minute Palin rap with Tina Fey & Amy Poehler is still the best 2 minutes of SNL for the last decade plus – not that there are many quality moments beyond it.