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Filed Under Open Thread on May 17 

Today, Michael Barone wonders if it’s panic time for the Obama campaign. Isn’t it much too early to call it panic?

Politico has an interesting piece on Romney’s Bill Clinton Strategy. Smart politics or risky shift?

Finally, Salon writes that for Ron, it’s now all about Rand. The piece, obviously, takes a liberal flight plan, but it also raises a few legitimate concerns before closing with this nugget: “I wonder if the Paul family’s plan is to promote “liberty” or to promote the Paul family.”

Comments

  • Gururussell

    To continue that thought, Brian…
    Who knew Roger Kimball was such a loon?!
    http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2012/05/19/who-is-barack-obama/?singlepage=true

    • Anonymous

      First. I have no idea, or care, who Roger Kimball is.

      Second. You continue to want to have this debate with me. Anyone who has read this blog knows where you and Troy stand and where I stand. You and Troy obviously believe this is an important issue. You continue to want post links to people who you believe are validating your concerns. I think the issue is CRAZY and anyone….Roger Kimball, breitbart.com, Matt Drudge, etc. who think this is an issue worth investigating is equally CRAZY. 

      Please refrain from addressing me any further on this issue. It is unfair to the other bloggers in this forum to have the remarks monopolized on this one issue, going in circles, when it clear where we stand in regards to Obama’s birth. I am sure there are plenty of websites that you and Troy frequent where this is the most important issue in people’s lives. It is not for me.  Again. I ask both you and Troy to refrain from addressing me on this topic. I will no longer respond…it has grown boring.

      • Gururussell

        Now THAT was good for a few chuckles!

        “I don’t care…”, don’t bother me with supporting evidence to validate your concerns, name calling,…

        I visualize you sticking your fingers in your ears (or the computer equivalent)…

        Wasn’t aware that PD has a limited amount of pixels to mete out to the commentors. To be honest, Brian, I get a kick out of responding to you for the very fact that you’ve never met a comment that you won’t respond to.

        Don’t worry.  I’ll stop winning the discussion – oops, I mean…I’ll “refrain from addressing you”.  If I ever feel the need, I’ll simply use an ambiguous “he who must not be named” :)
         

  • Gururussell

    To continue that thought, Brian…
    Who knew Roger Kimball was such a loon?!
    http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2012/05/19/who-is-barack-obama/?singlepage=true

    • Anonymous

      First. I have no idea, or care, who Roger Kimball is.

      Second. You continue to want to have this debate with me. Anyone who has read this blog knows where you and Troy stand and where I stand. You and Troy obviously believe this is an important issue. You continue to want post links to people who you believe are validating your concerns. I think the issue is CRAZY and anyone….Roger Kimball, breitbart.com, Matt Drudge, etc. who think this is an issue worth investigating is equally CRAZY. 

      Please refrain from addressing me any further on this issue. It is unfair to the other bloggers in this forum to have the remarks monopolized on this one issue, going in circles, when it clear where we stand in regards to Obama’s birth. I am sure there are plenty of websites that you and Troy frequent where this is the most important issue in people’s lives. It is not for me.  Again. I ask both you and Troy to refrain from addressing me on this topic. I will no longer respond…it has grown boring.

      • Gururussell

        Now THAT was good for a few chuckles!

        “I don’t care…”, don’t bother me with supporting evidence to validate your concerns, name calling,…

        I visualize you sticking your fingers in your ears (or the computer equivalent)…

        Wasn’t aware that PD has a limited amount of pixels to mete out to the commentors. To be honest, Brian, I get a kick out of responding to you for the very fact that you’ve never met a comment that you won’t respond to.

        Don’t worry.  I’ll stop winning the discussion – oops, I mean…I’ll “refrain from addressing you”.  If I ever feel the need, I’ll simply use an ambiguous “he who must not be named” :)
         

  • Anonymous

    Funny how Obama’s literary agent said this about his client in 1991…

    From Breitbart News:
    http://www.therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obama-Column.png

  • Anonymous

    Funny how Obama’s literary agent said this about his client in 1991…

    From Breitbart News:
    http://www.therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obama-Column.png

  • Gururussell

    So…has anyone seen the headline on “Drudge” today?

    • dw

      You mean the one with the headline, 
      OBAMA’S LITERARY AGENT IN 1991 BOOKLET: ‘BORN IN KENYA AND RAISED IN INDONESIA AND HAWAII’

      • Gururussell

        Yep.

    • Anonymous

      I do not understand this issue. Never have. President Obama’s mother was clearly an American citizen, as such, that makes him an American citizen. The fact that Obama was never vetted by the MSM is a problem, however.

      This is an issue that every credible Republican should stay away from. It does nothing to benefit their cause. Obama is a horrific president regardless of his place of birth. His incompetence and not his biography needs to be the topic of conversation.

      • Alaina

        If you read the artcile, they clearly point out that this is not about where he was born because they believe he was born in Hawaii… it’s about him manufacturing a persona as he see fit and the MSM’s lack of vetting.

        • Anonymous

          Yes. I got that. Which makes the entire story even more insignificant. I am more concerned with the fact that he manufactured a persona that he was ready and smart enough to be President.

          Make no mistake about it. The Birthers, even those in this forum, will view this as more evidence of his birth conspiracy.

          • Anonymous

            So Breitbart News are now all Birthers?

            • Gururussell

              Apparently he thinks so, Troy. 

              • Anonymous

                I have no idea if the people at Breitbart are birthers. Either do you.

              • Anonymous

                But you claimed I was for exactly the same type of information.  The assumption is obvious based on your past behavior.

              • Anonymous

                You have made many arguments before stating your belief in the birther conspiracy. It is not my fault if people take you at your word and believe you mean what you say. If you are not a birther and you do not believe Obama was born in Kenya, I stand corrected.

              • Anonymous

                I have questions that have not been answered adequately, especially with a known forged birth certificate.  

                Obviously, Breitbart thinks there are questions to be answered as well.  

                You say he was born here while I have doubts.  Since the theory has been proposed that he was born here but forged his documents to get a better education, I have considered that possibility.

                Even if all this is nothing but a sham, there should be an investigation into who posted the forged birth certificate on the White House web site and who was in the know.

              • Anonymous

                I suggest you get started on the investigation ASAP.

              • Gururussell
              • Anonymous

                Thanks, Gary. We need truth warriors like you and Troy that aren’t afraid to hunt down the truth and expose the Obama conspiracy. Perhaps a Pulitzer is in your future.

              • Gururussell

                Don’t thank me…thank Matt Drudge, the Breitbart folks, and the state of Arizona.

          • Gururussell

            I don’t fit the definition of “birther”, as used as a derogatory term by so many, at all.  Yet, I’ve never understood the quick rush by people to classify anyone who questions Obama’s birthplace as crazy/nuts/etc.  If he is lying, it quickly destroys ANY and all credibility that he might be seen as having.  And, anyone would have to admit, there is quite a lot of serious doubt, and rightly so, as to whether he is telling the truth.  Why do you consider it so odd that anyone would want to get to the bottom of his story?

            • Anonymous

              Because the overwhelming evidence points to the actual place of his birth and the issue makes those who continue to question his place of birth look look like loons. The Truthers also claim they are simply “trying to get to the bottom of the story.” The JFK and moon landing conspiracy theorists also could say the same thing. 

              To believe that his family, starting with his birth, began a conspiracy from the time of his birth to lie about his place of birth because they knew he would someday grow up to run for President is bit of a stretch. Even if there is a1% chance he was born in Kenya, so what? Then what? Do the birthers believe that we would remove a democratically elected President?

              Without being derogatory, what definition of “birther” do you fit? If the term is used as a derogatory term to describe conspiracy theorists who believe such nonsense perhaps it is the belief in the nonsense that makes them look foolish, not the term associated with it.

              • Gururussell

                … “loons”, “nonsense”, “foolish”…
                “Without being derogatory”…?
                Too late!

                Anyway…
                I don’t know anyone who thinks that baby Barack’s mommy started a conspiracy at his birth.   If that were the case, they would have made mighty sure that a paper trail (ie legal birth certificate) was absolutely legit.  Your assertion that most people who question his birth country would believe that she did that is in itself a “bit of a stretch”.

                Not a “birther” per se… just not like many (yourself included) who bend over backwards to be as P.C. as possible on this issue. 

                We agree that it isn’t an issue that is going to remove him from office during THIS term. 
                But, the goal is to remove him from office in November.  If this issue is true, and can be PROVEN (key word), we’d be “loons” not to use it on him.

              • Anonymous

                Good luck using this issue to remove him in November, Gary. I am a bit surprised that you have admittedly link yourself to the birther movement, per se. Anytime one adds a per se to any statement it immediately becomes clear where they stand.

                I believe any attempt to use this as an issue in November would be loony, per se.

              • Gururussell

                Got a touchy spot regarding “per se”, Brian?

                Maybe a prejudice against Latin Americans?

                Ha!

                I happen to be 1/32nd Latin/American.

                You got so tied up in “per se” that you missed my point…

                If this issue is true, and can be PROVEN (key word), we’d be “loons” not to use it on him.

                If it can’t be proven, then let’s move along…nothing to see here.

                But, I think that it is foolish to automatically ignore the possibility simply because you have a knee-jerk reaction that makes you cry “loon” every time the subject is broached.

                Per se…Per se…Per se…Per se…

              • Anonymous

                If it can be proven that Obama kills small puppies or if it can be proven Obama is the secret Manchurian Candidate born in Kenya we would be loons not use it. Until that “proof” is validated any and all talk of Obama’s birth in political suicide.

              • Anonymous

                It’s political suicide to be so afraid of an issue that you brand anyone who asks about it a loon.

              • Gururussell

                If a biography attached to Obama’s book praises his skill at puppy-smashing, then I’ll be calling for an investigation on that, too. 
                I’m generally anti-puppy smashing, per se.

              • Anonymous

                Steve Bowman, a client of Acton & Dystel, writes at Breitbart.com that non-fiction writers wrote their own bio.

                This means this bio was written by Obama himself.  

                Makes you go hmmmmmmmm.

              • Anonymous

                So you admit you are calling for an investigation as to his birth. Ok. Got it.

                We simply disagree on this issue, Gary. You believe his place of birth is in question and that it needs to be investigated further, I believe it is a non issue and a bad issue for Republicans.

              • Gururussell

                An investigation?  Nothing official.
                I’m thinking maybe more like some investigative reporting…perhaps like the Brietbart article that started this discussion!
                An investigation does not have to equal an “issue”, unless it is proven to have merit.

        • Gururussell

          Exactly!  It is unprecedented in American presidential politics.

  • Gururussell

    So…has anyone seen the headline on “Drudge” today?

    • dw

      You mean the one with the headline, 
      OBAMA’S LITERARY AGENT IN 1991 BOOKLET: ‘BORN IN KENYA AND RAISED IN INDONESIA AND HAWAII’

      • Gururussell

        Yep.

    • Anonymous

      I do not understand this issue. Never have. President Obama’s mother was clearly an American citizen, as such, that makes him an American citizen. The fact that Obama was never vetted by the MSM is a problem, however.

      This is an issue that every credible Republican should stay away from. It does nothing to benefit their cause. Obama is a horrific president regardless of his place of birth. His incompetence and not his biography needs to be the topic of conversation.

      • Alaina

        If you read the artcile, they clearly point out that this is not about where he was born because they believe he was born in Hawaii… it’s about him manufacturing a persona as he see fit and the MSM’s lack of vetting.

        • Anonymous

          Yes. I got that. Which makes the entire story even more insignificant. I am more concerned with the fact that he manufactured a persona that he was ready and smart enough to be President.

          Make no mistake about it. The Birthers, even those in this forum, will view this as more evidence of his birth conspiracy.

          • Anonymous

            So Breitbart News are now all Birthers?

            • Gururussell

              Apparently he thinks so, Troy. 

              • Anonymous

                I have no idea if the people at Breitbart are birthers. Either do you.

              • Anonymous

                But you claimed I was for exactly the same type of information.  The assumption is obvious based on your past behavior.

              • Anonymous

                You have made many arguments before stating your belief in the birther conspiracy. It is not my fault if people take you at your word and believe you mean what you say. If you are not a birther and you do not believe Obama was born in Kenya, I stand corrected.

              • Anonymous

                I have questions that have not been answered adequately, especially with a known forged birth certificate.  

                Obviously, Breitbart thinks there are questions to be answered as well.  

                You say he was born here while I have doubts.  Since the theory has been proposed that he was born here but forged his documents to get a better education, I have considered that possibility.

                Even if all this is nothing but a sham, there should be an investigation into who posted the forged birth certificate on the White House web site and who was in the know.

              • Anonymous

                I suggest you get started on the investigation ASAP.

              • Gururussell
              • Anonymous

                Thanks, Gary. We need truth warriors like you and Troy that aren’t afraid to hunt down the truth and expose the Obama conspiracy. Perhaps a Pulitzer is in your future.

              • Gururussell

                Don’t thank me…thank Matt Drudge, the Breitbart folks, and the state of Arizona.

          • Gururussell

            I don’t fit the definition of “birther”, as used as a derogatory term by so many, at all.  Yet, I’ve never understood the quick rush by people to classify anyone who questions Obama’s birthplace as crazy/nuts/etc.  If he is lying, it quickly destroys ANY and all credibility that he might be seen as having.  And, anyone would have to admit, there is quite a lot of serious doubt, and rightly so, as to whether he is telling the truth.  Why do you consider it so odd that anyone would want to get to the bottom of his story?

            • Anonymous

              Because the overwhelming evidence points to the actual place of his birth and the issue makes those who continue to question his place of birth look look like loons. The Truthers also claim they are simply “trying to get to the bottom of the story.” The JFK and moon landing conspiracy theorists also could say the same thing. 

              To believe that his family, starting with his birth, began a conspiracy from the time of his birth to lie about his place of birth because they knew he would someday grow up to run for President is bit of a stretch. Even if there is a1% chance he was born in Kenya, so what? Then what? Do the birthers believe that we would remove a democratically elected President?

              Without being derogatory, what definition of “birther” do you fit? If the term is used as a derogatory term to describe conspiracy theorists who believe such nonsense perhaps it is the belief in the nonsense that makes them look foolish, not the term associated with it.

              • Gururussell

                … “loons”, “nonsense”, “foolish”…
                “Without being derogatory”…?
                Too late!

                Anyway…
                I don’t know anyone who thinks that baby Barack’s mommy started a conspiracy at his birth.   If that were the case, they would have made mighty sure that a paper trail (ie legal birth certificate) was absolutely legit.  Your assertion that most people who question his birth country would believe that she did that is in itself a “bit of a stretch”.

                Not a “birther” per se… just not like many (yourself included) who bend over backwards to be as P.C. as possible on this issue. 

                We agree that it isn’t an issue that is going to remove him from office during THIS term. 
                But, the goal is to remove him from office in November.  If this issue is true, and can be PROVEN (key word), we’d be “loons” not to use it on him.

              • Anonymous

                Good luck using this issue to remove him in November, Gary. I am a bit surprised that you have admittedly link yourself to the birther movement, per se. Anytime one adds a per se to any statement it immediately becomes clear where they stand.

                I believe any attempt to use this as an issue in November would be loony, per se.

              • Gururussell

                Got a touchy spot regarding “per se”, Brian?

                Maybe a prejudice against Latin Americans?

                Ha!

                I happen to be 1/32nd Latin/American.

                You got so tied up in “per se” that you missed my point…

                If this issue is true, and can be PROVEN (key word), we’d be “loons” not to use it on him.

                If it can’t be proven, then let’s move along…nothing to see here.

                But, I think that it is foolish to automatically ignore the possibility simply because you have a knee-jerk reaction that makes you cry “loon” every time the subject is broached.

                Per se…Per se…Per se…Per se…

              • Anonymous

                If it can be proven that Obama kills small puppies or if it can be proven Obama is the secret Manchurian Candidate born in Kenya we would be loons not use it. Until that “proof” is validated any and all talk of Obama’s birth in political suicide.

              • Anonymous

                It’s political suicide to be so afraid of an issue that you brand anyone who asks about it a loon.

              • Gururussell

                If a biography attached to Obama’s book praises his skill at puppy-smashing, then I’ll be calling for an investigation on that, too. 
                I’m generally anti-puppy smashing, per se.

              • Anonymous

                Steve Bowman, a client of Acton & Dystel, writes at Breitbart.com that non-fiction writers wrote their own bio.

                This means this bio was written by Obama himself.  

                Makes you go hmmmmmmmm.

              • Anonymous

                So you admit you are calling for an investigation as to his birth. Ok. Got it.

                We simply disagree on this issue, Gary. You believe his place of birth is in question and that it needs to be investigated further, I believe it is a non issue and a bad issue for Republicans.

              • Gururussell

                An investigation?  Nothing official.
                I’m thinking maybe more like some investigative reporting…perhaps like the Brietbart article that started this discussion!
                An investigation does not have to equal an “issue”, unless it is proven to have merit.

        • Gururussell

          Exactly!  It is unprecedented in American presidential politics.

  • Gururussell

    After three and a half years of panic time for America, it is definitely “panic time” for O’Carter.

  • Gururussell

    After three and a half years of panic time for America, it is definitely “panic time” for O’Carter.

  • Whodat

     It will never be “panic time” the Obomb campaign.  They have about 20% of the voters who vote as a block and will not change.  Anybody who thinks African Americans will leave Obomb over the gay marriage issue is a fool.  It won’t matter.  They will vote for him at 98%.

    Nor will the college profs and perennial students waver.  And, certainly not those who believe that welfare and other handouts are rights and we should ask nothing about it.  And, the unions who are all for themselves and nothing else.  These form the base.  They total between 45% and 48% and they will not be swayed by fact, or fiction, or current events or reason.

    With that base, all Obomb must do is persuade around 10 to 12% of the rest of the voters.  So, Barone is a writer who has run dry.  His work often indicates that his head is better at growing hair than at thinking worthy thoughts.

    As for the Ron and Rand show, Rand should stay and Ron should go.  Ron’s 15 minutes is way up and Rand’s is just beginning.  Ron needs to hand it off and retire to speaking tours and a book deal.  Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Whodat

     It will never be “panic time” the Obomb campaign.  They have about 20% of the voters who vote as a block and will not change.  Anybody who thinks African Americans will leave Obomb over the gay marriage issue is a fool.  It won’t matter.  They will vote for him at 98%.

    Nor will the college profs and perennial students waver.  And, certainly not those who believe that welfare and other handouts are rights and we should ask nothing about it.  And, the unions who are all for themselves and nothing else.  These form the base.  They total between 45% and 48% and they will not be swayed by fact, or fiction, or current events or reason.

    With that base, all Obomb must do is persuade around 10 to 12% of the rest of the voters.  So, Barone is a writer who has run dry.  His work often indicates that his head is better at growing hair than at thinking worthy thoughts.

    As for the Ron and Rand show, Rand should stay and Ron should go.  Ron’s 15 minutes is way up and Rand’s is just beginning.  Ron needs to hand it off and retire to speaking tours and a book deal.  Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Since you’re such a great fan of Pareene’s work, here’s a great book you should check out:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Rude-Guide-Mitt-ebook/dp/B007UPDEG0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334940002&sr=8-2

    • Anonymous

      I love that guy! (at least in this case)

  • Anonymous

    Since you’re such a great fan of Pareene’s work, here’s a great book you should check out:
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Rude-Guide-Mitt-ebook/dp/B007UPDEG0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334940002&sr=8-2

    • Anonymous

      I love that guy! (at least in this case)

  • Anonymous

    Funny how you post a joke of an article by Wonkette alumni Alex Pareene, a guy who hates Republicans. Didn’t know Jason was such a big fan of the liberal media!

    • Anonymous

      I have told Jason many many times that he is to NEVER post anything from anyone before checking with you, Rob, to get party approval and clearance. The man just won’t listen to reason. I apologize to you Rob on behalf of the PD community for Jason’s lack of judgement. 

      • Anonymous

         I assume your copy of “The Rude Mitt Guide” is already on it’s way? ;)

      • RobPaul

         I assume your copy of “The Rude Mitt Guide” is already on it’s way? ;)

  • Anonymous

    Funny how you post a joke of an article by Wonkette alumni Alex Pareene, a guy who hates Republicans. Didn’t know Jason was such a big fan of the liberal media!

    • Anonymous

      I have told Jason many many times that he is to NEVER post anything from anyone before checking with you, Rob, to get party approval and clearance. The man just won’t listen to reason. I apologize to you Rob on behalf of the PD community for Jason’s lack of judgement. 

      • Anonymous

         I assume your copy of “The Rude Mitt Guide” is already on it’s way? ;)

  • Anonymous

    I believe Ron and Rand both realize that any chance at a viable (I love that word) political future for any higher office will need to be represented by more than the fringers who currently make up Dr. Paul’s die hard constituency. An appeal to more moderate (liberal light????) voters like myself will be needed. A least that is what my puny brain believes.

    • Anonymous

       Which is exactly why Rand is gearing up for a 2016 run. He holds the same views as Ron, but says it in a way that people with puny brains like you think it’s something different. Smart guy.

      • Anonymous

        Yes. You might be right. It seems as though appealing to puny brains may be a hereditary trait passed along the Paul family father/son lineage.  

        The good news for the rest of us is we have more glorious years of the sound intellect, rationality, and glorious humor of the Paulective that would have been sorely missed if we didn’t have a Paul around.

        • Anonymous

           Poor Brian still has yet to reply to the post days ago disputing any of my points. So sad.

  • Anonymous

    I believe Ron and Rand both realize that any chance at a viable (I love that word) political future for any higher office will need to be represented by more than the fringers who currently make up Dr. Paul’s die hard constituency. An appeal to more moderate (liberal light????) voters like myself will be needed. A least that is what my puny brain believes.

    • Anonymous

       Which is exactly why Rand is gearing up for a 2016 run. He holds the same views as Ron, but says it in a way that people with puny brains like you think it’s something different. Smart guy.

      • Anonymous

        Yes. You might be right. It seems as though appealing to puny brains may be a hereditary trait passed along the Paul family father/son lineage.  

        The good news for the rest of us is we have more glorious years of the sound intellect, rationality, and glorious humor of the Paulective that would have been sorely missed if we didn’t have a Paul around.

        • Anonymous

           Poor Brian still has yet to reply to the post days ago disputing any of my points. So sad.