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  • Arthur

    This whole Rand as Mitt’s VP is to draw some of Ron’s votes.

    There is no freakin’ way that would happen. The Pauls are anti-neocon to the core. They are leading a civil war against the neocon grip on the GOP. If you haven’t gotten that by now, you’re an idiot.

  • Arthur

    This whole Rand as Mitt’s VP is to draw some of Ron’s votes.

    There is no freakin’ way that would happen. The Pauls are anti-neocon to the core. They are leading a civil war against the neocon grip on the GOP. If you haven’t gotten that by now, you’re an idiot.

  • Whodat

    Rand benefited most from being an articulate conservative who impressed the Tea Party faithful as they reached critical mass in 2010 – the anti-Obomb vote, just like the anti-Clinton landslide in ’84 and the two anti-Bush Democrat landslides in 06 and 08.  So, he may be good, but his timing was perfect!  Not sure he will always have that wave to ride…
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    He might have slightly less of a “libertarian” stigma than his dad which means his ceiling will be higher, but generally I am sure I am not alone in thinking guys like him and Rubio and certainly flashy, but maybe too untested over time for my taste.  Aging baby boomers might feel more comfortable with slightly more seasoned leaders…  i.e., “not this time!”
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    Although I hate to ever agree with any European on anything, but our German Observer has noted, as have I, that Rand looks mad all the time.  I first noticed it the night of the Iowa caucuses when Ron was speaking and trying to convince us that 3rd place was a win and Rand  was in back of him frowning like 3rd place was last.

    • Anonymous

      How many more delagates did mitt get in iowa? It was a win.

      • Anonymous

        Nobody has any delegates yet, and it’s likely/possible Ron gets more than Mitt in Iowa since they are unbound.

  • Whodat

    Rand benefited most from being an articulate conservative who impressed the Tea Party faithful as they reached critical mass in 2010 – the anti-Obomb vote, just like the anti-Clinton landslide in ’84 and the two anti-Bush Democrat landslides in 06 and 08.  So, he may be good, but his timing was perfect!  Not sure he will always have that wave to ride…
    .
    He might have slightly less of a “libertarian” stigma than his dad which means his ceiling will be higher, but generally I am sure I am not alone in thinking guys like him and Rubio and certainly flashy, but maybe too untested over time for my taste.  Aging baby boomers might feel more comfortable with slightly more seasoned leaders…  i.e., “not this time!”
    .
    Although I hate to ever agree with any European on anything, but our German Observer has noted, as have I, that Rand looks mad all the time.  I first noticed it the night of the Iowa caucuses when Ron was speaking and trying to convince us that 3rd place was a win and Rand  was in back of him frowning like 3rd place was last.

    • Anonymous

      How many more delagates did mitt get in iowa? It was a win.

      • Anonymous

        Nobody has any delegates yet, and it’s likely/possible Ron gets more than Mitt in Iowa since they are unbound.

  • shuoink

    What do you guys think of Senator Mike Lee? I think he’d appeal to Ron Paul supporters but it wouldn’t be so obvious that he’s throwing them a bone.

    • TheLogicalLeft

      No way bro, it’s two Mormons on the same ticket, and you’re alienating the 1/4 of SC that PPPpolling showed are still not ok with 1 Mormon being in the executive branch.

      Don’t get me wrong, I am Mormon, and I love my faith, and I would love it if others would accept us without criticizing our faith, but there is still alot of prejudice :(.

      Kudos for the suggestion though! Even though I’m kindof on the other side :D.

  • shuoink

    What do you guys think of Senator Mike Lee? I think he’d appeal to Ron Paul supporters but it wouldn’t be so obvious that he’s throwing them a bone.

    • TheLogicalLeft

      No way bro, it’s two Mormons on the same ticket, and you’re alienating the 1/4 of SC that PPPpolling showed are still not ok with 1 Mormon being in the executive branch.

      Don’t get me wrong, I am Mormon, and I love my faith, and I would love it if others would accept us without criticizing our faith, but there is still alot of prejudice :(.

      Kudos for the suggestion though! Even though I’m kindof on the other side :D.

  • Alaina

    I like Rand a lot. I’ve heard him speak (as well as Ron) on several occasions… Rand comes across as sane, level-headed and reasonable, yet passionate. I could get excited about him being in the White House.

  • Alaina

    I like Rand a lot. I’ve heard him speak (as well as Ron) on several occasions… Rand comes across as sane, level-headed and reasonable, yet passionate. I could get excited about him being in the White House.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way in heck Rand would run with romney. The Pauls have started a movement toward liberty and it is being argued in many races across the country. Romney is just another nice ideas guy. he will fade.

    • Gary Russell

      Just when I’m warming to the Pauls…more of the “purer than thou” attitude.

      I disagree, JW – I would certainly think that Rand would welcome the chance to have a HUGE leg up for either the 2016 race (if the GOP loses) or 2020.

      • Gary Russell

        And if, as you say, someone refused to join the ticket because it isn’t pure enough for their movement, I don’t think I would want to support them in the future.

        • Anonymous

          Yep, who would want to support someone with actual principles? Not Gary, that’s for sure.

          • Anonymous

            Rob. Did you officially change your last name to Paul or is that just for PD purposes?

            Just curious.
            Sincerely,

            BrianH Pawlenty

            • Anonymous

              It told me Rob was registered, so I went with the second best name I could think of ;)

          • Gururussell

            I believe I’ve been supporting Rand Paul throughout this entire thread.  So, what are you saying, Rob?

            • Anonymous

              Umm, you said if Rand stuck to his principles and didn’t want to be VP for Romney, you wouldn’t support him. So it’s pretty clear what I’m saying.

              • Gary Russell

                I never used the phrase “stuck to his principles”.
                Besides, if his principles are THAT pure, neither he nor his father would be running as Republicans. 
                They only run as Republicans because that is the only way that they can be elected.  If they could be elected as Independents or Libertarians, they would run under that label.

                I’m not saying that as a knock against them. 
                Rather, it simply shows that while, yes, they believe in their ideals, they also are realists about politics. 

                So, don’t hand me your “support someone with actual principles” crap.  Despite the knee-jerk reactions of Paul purists, I still find a great deal to admire in both men, and find myself increasingly interested in their policies.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way in heck Rand would run with romney. The Pauls have started a movement toward liberty and it is being argued in many races across the country. Romney is just another nice ideas guy. he will fade.

    • Gary Russell

      Just when I’m warming to the Pauls…more of the “purer than thou” attitude.

      I disagree, JW – I would certainly think that Rand would welcome the chance to have a HUGE leg up for either the 2016 race (if the GOP loses) or 2020.

      • Gary Russell

        And if, as you say, someone refused to join the ticket because it isn’t pure enough for their movement, I don’t think I would want to support them in the future.

        • Anonymous

          Yep, who would want to support someone with actual principles? Not Gary, that’s for sure.

          • Anonymous

            Rob. Did you officially change your last name to Paul or is that just for PD purposes?

            Just curious.
            Sincerely,

            BrianH Pawlenty

            • Anonymous

              It told me Rob was registered, so I went with the second best name I could think of ;)

          • Gururussell

            I believe I’ve been supporting Rand Paul throughout this entire thread.  So, what are you saying, Rob?

            • Anonymous

              Umm, you said if Rand stuck to his principles and didn’t want to be VP for Romney, you wouldn’t support him. So it’s pretty clear what I’m saying.

              • Gary Russell

                I never used the phrase “stuck to his principles”.
                Besides, if his principles are THAT pure, neither he nor his father would be running as Republicans. 
                They only run as Republicans because that is the only way that they can be elected.  If they could be elected as Independents or Libertarians, they would run under that label.

                I’m not saying that as a knock against them. 
                Rather, it simply shows that while, yes, they believe in their ideals, they also are realists about politics. 

                So, don’t hand me your “support someone with actual principles” crap.  Despite the knee-jerk reactions of Paul purists, I still find a great deal to admire in both men, and find myself increasingly interested in their policies.

  • German Observer

    Rand always looks so serious and in the rare occasions you see him with a sort of a smile, it doesn’t seem to be for real.

    Does anybody share my suspicion, that he had a very tough childhood (probably the doctor beat him up regularily) and today he has little kids for breakfast?

    • Anonymous

      That’s pretty bizarre German. Rand’s a very likeable guy. He just takes his position seriously.

  • German Observer

    Rand always looks so serious and in the rare occasions you see him with a sort of a smile, it doesn’t seem to be for real.

    Does anybody share my suspicion, that he had a very tough childhood (probably the doctor beat him up regularily) and today he has little kids for breakfast?

    • Anonymous

      That’s pretty bizarre German. Rand’s a very likeable guy. He just takes his position seriously.

  • Anonymous

    The chances of Rand Paul being on the Mitt ticket are smaller than Mitt being on the Ron Paul ticket. Mitt has run too serious of a campaign to be suckered into such an act. I fully expect Mitt to go conventional and “conservative” all the way through the next year. Perhaps he will lose, but, it will be to his own ability to earn the needed votes, not some desperate attempt to appeal to the Paulective.

    VP nods….
    Pence
    Daniels
    Christi
    Jindal
    Pawlenty
    Thune
    Ryan
    Rubio

    ….I think Jindal would make a good vp pick. Historic, Southern governor, smart, competent, tested, and successful.

    • Gary Russell

      Listen, you know I have never been a Paul supporter, but I’ve always admired his economic policies. 

      With Rand, from what I gather, you get the econ without the baggage of old newletters and foreign policy problems. 

      Plus, you draw in a sizable number of Paulites who otherwise might not vote.
      How would that qualify as being “suckered into such an act”?

      Romney would get nothing from a Daniels or Christie pick.  They are too similar to him (especially Christie).  I would probably say the same about Pawlenty or Thune.  They are only slightly more conservative, but all are very similar.

      I’d love a Rubio, Ryan, Jindal, or Pence pick.
      But I’m also intrigued by a possible Rand Paul coalition.  Could be very interesting.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. I like Rand very much and I do believe he has a long and wide open political future. I just believe that to put him on the ticket at this point is nothing more than an attempt to throw a bone to the Paulective. I do not believe that Rand has made enough of a name for himself, at this point. I do not believe he as polished as say a Marco Rubio. Rand’s time will come and I will support him when it does.

    • http://twitter.com/Bob_Bigham Bob Bigham

      Put Nikki Haley on the list. She’s a Woman, A minority, Indian American, a Southern Governor, and she endorsed Mitt Romney.  It’s sad that this is a factor but if he needs appeal she might be a good choice, but it would be a little McCainish

    • Alaina

      No chance on Pence for VP… He’s planning to be Gov of Indiana and then run for President.

      • Gururussell

        Pence…what might have been in 2012….sigh

        • Alaina

          Tell me about it… I love him!!!

  • Anonymous

    The chances of Rand Paul being on the Mitt ticket are smaller than Mitt being on the Ron Paul ticket. Mitt has run too serious of a campaign to be suckered into such an act. I fully expect Mitt to go conventional and “conservative” all the way through the next year. Perhaps he will lose, but, it will be to his own ability to earn the needed votes, not some desperate attempt to appeal to the Paulective.

    VP nods….
    Pence
    Daniels
    Christi
    Jindal
    Pawlenty
    Thune
    Ryan
    Rubio

    ….I think Jindal would make a good vp pick. Historic, Southern governor, smart, competent, tested, and successful.

    • Gary Russell

      Listen, you know I have never been a Paul supporter, but I’ve always admired his economic policies. 

      With Rand, from what I gather, you get the econ without the baggage of old newletters and foreign policy problems. 

      Plus, you draw in a sizable number of Paulites who otherwise might not vote.
      How would that qualify as being “suckered into such an act”?

      Romney would get nothing from a Daniels or Christie pick.  They are too similar to him (especially Christie).  I would probably say the same about Pawlenty or Thune.  They are only slightly more conservative, but all are very similar.

      I’d love a Rubio, Ryan, Jindal, or Pence pick.
      But I’m also intrigued by a possible Rand Paul coalition.  Could be very interesting.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. I like Rand very much and I do believe he has a long and wide open political future. I just believe that to put him on the ticket at this point is nothing more than an attempt to throw a bone to the Paulective. I do not believe that Rand has made enough of a name for himself, at this point. I do not believe he as polished as say a Marco Rubio. Rand’s time will come and I will support him when it does.

    • http://twitter.com/Bob_Bigham Bob Bigham

      Put Nikki Haley on the list. She’s a Woman, A minority, Indian American, a Southern Governor, and she endorsed Mitt Romney.  It’s sad that this is a factor but if he needs appeal she might be a good choice, but it would be a little McCainish

    • Alaina

      No chance on Pence for VP… He’s planning to be Gov of Indiana and then run for President.

      • Gururussell

        Pence…what might have been in 2012….sigh

        • Alaina

          Tell me about it… I love him!!!

  • Anonymous

    If Ron Paul continues to do well and makes it to the convention second in votes I would think this would be a very real possibility.  Ron steps down from politics and hands the baton  to Rand as the VP candidate.  It would bring the factions together and unite the party.  After two terms it would ensure a run for President to Rand and the Revolution takes over the GOP.

  • Anonymous

    If Ron Paul continues to do well and makes it to the convention second in votes I would think this would be a very real possibility.  Ron steps down from politics and hands the baton  to Rand as the VP candidate.  It would bring the factions together and unite the party.  After two terms it would ensure a run for President to Rand and the Revolution takes over the GOP.

  • TheLogicalLeft

    Could he be having health problems? I mean he is 78 years old and if he won he would be the oldest first term president. Uh oh :/. I mean I am no Ron Paul supporter (or GOP supporter for that matter) but It would sadden me a bit to see such a force have to rest for health reason.

  • TheLogicalLeft

    Could he be having health problems? I mean he is 78 years old and if he won he would be the oldest first term president. Uh oh :/. I mean I am no Ron Paul supporter (or GOP supporter for that matter) but It would sadden me a bit to see such a force have to rest for health reason.

  • Gururussell

    This is exactly what I was wondering about in the “Friday Open Thread” today.
    I had not seen this story, but it certainly is interesting, isn’t it?
    I really see the potential for a merger between Romney/Paul via a Rand Paul offer of Veep.
    Lots of upside for both groups of supporters.
    Might prove to be a formidable combination.
    .
    BTW…I didn’t know that Ron Paul was not in SC.  What gives?

    • Anonymous

      He’s been doing it all along, same thing in Iowa, and then in NH. He’ll be there all next week.

      • Gary Russell

        But, the SC primary is on Tuesday, is it not?

        • Anonymous

          The 21st – Saturday

          • Gary Russell

            Oh! (or, “oops”, as a certain Tx governor might say).

  • Gururussell

    This is exactly what I was wondering about in the “Friday Open Thread” today.
    I had not seen this story, but it certainly is interesting, isn’t it?
    I really see the potential for a merger between Romney/Paul via a Rand Paul offer of Veep.
    Lots of upside for both groups of supporters.
    Might prove to be a formidable combination.
    .
    BTW…I didn’t know that Ron Paul was not in SC.  What gives?

    • Anonymous

      He’s been doing it all along, same thing in Iowa, and then in NH. He’ll be there all next week.

      • Gary Russell

        But, the SC primary is on Tuesday, is it not?

        • Anonymous

          The 21st – Saturday

          • Gary Russell

            Oh! (or, “oops”, as a certain Tx governor might say).