Rove and Coulter’s interesting takes on Sanford, Iran, healthcare

By Jason Wright, Editor

Filed Under Foreign Affairs, Healthcare, Media Clips and Issues, Scandals on Jun 25 

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  • Gil Rice

    In regard to the above comments, what happened to the separation of church and state? Just wondering.

    • http://deleted JE

      Ummm…it doesn’t exist and is a figment of public imagination. Pennsylvania was founded as a quaker state (not the motor oil). The constitution forbids the establishment of a federally run mandated religion. It does not forbid religion being in the public square or debated or used as a basis for decisions. But i will shut up as i am sure the ‘PD powers that be’ dont want this to go there.

  • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor
  • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

    I agree.

    • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

      Well duh. Obviously this isn’t to be decided by people who don’t live in S.C. But that doesn’t mean we can’t share our opinions. That’s what pundits do.

      • Mrs. Rusty Shackleford

        It would be naive to say we don’t have a right to voice an opinion. If you go back to a previous post I stated has anyone asked about Homeland Security issues? Again, how does a Governor of SC hook up with someone from Argentina?? How is that not a possible risk to security and the ability to do your job. That is poor judgement. Plus, it is being brought to our attention that his job was just so stressful. How can it be that stressful if you are a qualified CEO of a state? I get it that you need a break and R&R. But the more qualified ppl don’t break so easily under pressure and destroy the very fabric of there being.

        I am very much a Christian and a preachers kid (the good kind). It isn’t judging. It’s recognizing a mistake at a gigantic level that puts peoples jobs/livelihood/security at risk.

        Jason, is there a way to see it from the point of what oath he broke by participating in this behavior? I’m asking because that is where I am very naive to know what the SC Governor swears to and is paid by the SC people to do.

        Also, we could all be SC residents at anytime in our life or any other state for that matter since this is the United States and not individual countries where we need permission from gov’t to reside, so I see it as a national issue.

  • Sartho

    My opinion is that his resignation should be between Mark, his family, and all the fine people of SC. I cared in the beginning because I was disappointed about losing what appeared a quality POTUS prospect. But since I don’t live in SC, it’s not really anything I need to be concerned about beyond that.

    And I’d say let the people of SC voice their opinions. Follow Obama’s lead (did I really just say that???) and post a website (since it seems Obama has a website for everything) where the residents can provide their input. They might take the same road as Jenny – he might be stupid but we want to keep him.

  • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

    To everyone who thinks Sanford needs to resign or thinks he’s mentally unstable or whatever presumption you have about the man, his family or his capacity to be governor, whoever among you is without sin, cast the first stone!

    With over 50% of marriages ending in divorce, how many of you accusers think everyone who has an affair should resign from their job?

    And don’t give me any of that “public servant” crap either.

    Mark Sanford and his wife are now together and will work to reconcile their marriage and keep their family together. May God bless them in their time of need.

    John 8
    1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
    11 “No one, sir,” she said.
    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

    Sermon over.

    • Red State Eddio

      Neil – Christians believing that we are not to judge anything at all because Jesus said so is just an ‘urban legend’ from the pit of hell.

      Jesus also said that when we see the speck of sawdust in someone else’s eyes, to first discover the plank in our own eye. But notice what he says next: “first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matt 7:5)

      So it’s not a question of being perfect and condemning others; it’s an issue of wise discernment and wise decision-making from people who’ve faced the same temptations.

      Following that logic, I am rightfully able to offer judgment on the situation because I’m addressing the plank in my own eye, and have faced the same temptations of having a difficult stretch in a marriage.

      Am I perfect? No. But I believe I can view his situation with some understanding for them personally as well as the larger public good.

      • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

        RSE – You will not find the word “judge” anywhere in my comment.

        I am asking everyone to consider what message is being sent by his or her open and public condemnation of a brother in Christ. (Assuming everyone is a Christian here)

        Further, in Matt. 7:5, Jesus is making a dramatic point, in order to make a point, between the difference of a “speck” and a “plank” (millions upon millions of specks, i.e., impossible to rid yourself of sin). I also believe, as most Bible scholars do, that one can never be in the position to “judge” anyone with regard to sin. That is reserved for God and God alone.

        The scripture you gave serves to support the whole premise of the entire seventh chapter of Matthew, which is clearly stated in the first verse, “Do not judge lest you be judged.”

        Romans 14: 10-13 is another good reference.

        Hope that’s not to preachy.

        • http://deleted JE

          Neil, I don’t think anyone on here has said he should be killed (though we can go old testament and there is a valid argument) …but resigning to tend to his affairs at home is an appropriate response. To say only those who are perfect can speak to the correction of the sin of another is taking Jesus words completely out of context. Do you disagree with the remainder of the new testament which speaks of correcting a brother? Should we never speak ill of anyones sin? I am not saying he should be branded with a scarlett letter but this ‘crap’ (to use your word from earlier) of people claiming to be a Christian and then living in unrepentent sin (and repentence requires more than verbally saying i am sorry…it requires action which he has not yet shown) is ridiculous. 80% of America claim Christianity but less than half believe in absolute truth. If he is a Christian he will be repentent in word and deed, set aside his pride and worldly aspirations (mammon) in order to seek God and help his family. So saying he should resign is simply saying he should get his priorities straight. If you would like to discuss the full implications of the scripture you referenced we can…but there is alot more to it than ‘don’t judge’. Sorry to rant but this repetitive jerry springer mess in government (on both sides of the aisle) with people who claim Christ and chase the world is an insult to God and his people.

          • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

            JE – You missed my point. I stressed the “open and public” condemnation of a fellow believer, not a brother or sister in Christ pointing out or correcting, in love, a fellow believer’s sin. That is why Jesus had such a problem with the Jewish leaders and their public condemnations of fellow Jews. I believe Jesus called them a “brood of vipers” for their pious attitudes and actions.

            • http://deleted JE

              To this i would agree…i just assumed you were using the scripture reference out of context like so many do. Again, i just get so tired of people claiming Christianity because it polls well and leading a life that is anything but. His statements about how he hurt his mistress who he would not name did not appear repentent. I wish we could call all people and especially those who choose public life to ‘produce fruit in keeping with repentence’ as John the Baptist said to the pharisees.

    • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

      Neil, I have to say this is stunningly naive:

      “With over 50% of marriages ending in divorce, how many of you accusers think everyone who has an affair should resign from their job?

      And don’t give me any of that ‘public servant’ crap either.”

      It doesn’t bother you that he’s a public servant, serving during a time of incredible crisis in his state, and he disappeared for what was planned to be a full week?

      Forget notifying his family, which we now understand, what about not notifying his Lt. Gov. or the people who work for him?

      Being a governor isn’t a 9-5 job. It is who you are every second of your term–period. This sophomoric disappearing act, the lies to the media, it’s grounds to be fired. And since voters can’t fire him anytime soon, he should fire himself. He simply cannot move forward and do his job effectively. He said he’s going to travel around the state asking for forgiveness? That’s fine, but don’t do it on the voters time. Do it on your own. You weren’t elected to travel S.C. on an apology tour.

      Oh, and of course he’s held to a higher standard. All public officials are — or should be — otherwise we’d be electing the bottom of the societal barrel.

      Oh wait. We already are.

      • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

        Jason, Naïve as it may seem. I’m trying to see this through the eyes of the public and how they will see, and react, to one Christian condemning another. Not very edifying up to this point.

        In answer to your two questions, yes and yes.

        However, in response to your argument about his traveling around SC and apologizing, isn’t that exactly what he should do, specifically because he is a “public servant.” And, if you believe he should separate his personal stuff from his public stuff, isn’t that an admission that if he has an affair on his personal time, it shouldn’t affect his job stability?

        Are you not trying to have it both ways?

        • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

          Um, what? I said there is no personal time. You’re always on the clock and you’re always representing the state. He cheated on their time and now he wants to travel around apologizing on their time. What am I having both ways?

          This isn’t about judging him as a sinner. You’ve made this into some strange religious thing. The fact is he cannot effectively do his job anymore and it will be extremely hard for anyone to take him seriously anymore.

          “You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light – but hey, that would be going into sexual details …”

          Priceless.

          • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

            Jason, if “there no personal time,” as you suggest, please tell me when Gov. Sanford can address his constituents about this issue?

            I know, as a pundit, you have a political opinion, but saying you know for a fact he can no longer be effective as governor is stepping out there. In my “strange religious” opinion, I happen to believe he can still perform his duties as governor and maybe even be a stronger leader as a result of this incident. After all, King David turned out to be quite a great leader after the Bathsheba incident – a man after God’s own heart.

            • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

              He can address them in his resignation press conference. Tons of cameras. Maybe even a cake.

              • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil Braithwaite

                I like cake! Throw in a show like that and I’m in.

            • David Kaiser, Editor

              Neil, Neil, Neil. Step into the real world for a minute here. The man left his job, ducked his security force, left his family on Fathers Day, and flew off to the other side of the planet to sleep with his mistress.

              This has nothing to do with his ability, it has everything to do with his judgement.

              I think a lot of people will agree Bill Clinton had a lot of ability. He was one of the smartest men every to be President, he is a natural and gifted politician.

              He just had the judgement of a hungry German Shepard in a butcher’s shop.

              I don’t care if Sanford was the smartest man on the planet. He’s ability to make the right decision is obviously compromised and therefore he needs to go.

              End of story.

              • Rachel E

                Triple D – Where do I start?

                Oh yea – story over.

                How’s that hope & change workin for ya?

                Let’s all get on the bash a Republican wagon so we can keep that Obama train going.

                All aboard! Last stop – a look back at what used to be America.

                • http://conservativetruthseeker.blogspot.com/ Neil B

                  Rachel E – Thanks for getting my back?! Where did that come from?

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    • Rusty Shackleford

      To everyone who thinks Sanford needs to resign or thinks he’s mentally unstable or whatever presumption you have about the man, his family or his capacity to be governor, whoever among you is without sin, cast the first stone!

      Get me a rock!

  • Mrs. Rusty Shackleford

    Hubby and I both said last night he needs to resign. He has proven himself incapable of making good decisions. He needs to step down and not be like Illinois Gov. We don’t need another one of those.

    • http://scottslant.blogspot.com/ Scott A. Robinson

      If you thought Clinton should resign over what he did (though the circumstances of where were quite demeaning to the country), you should also be in favor of Sanford resigning.

      • Brian H

        I agree that he needs to go but not for the same reasons as Bill Clinton.

        Clinton needed to go because he (and others at his request) obstructed justice and lied under oath during a civil proceeding that ALL nine Justices on the Supreme Court said P. Jones had the right to file against him. That is a criminal act.

        Sanford needs to go because his ability to make rational decisions is seriously in question.

  • David Kaiser, Editor

    I’ve been called a lot of things in my life.

    Complex is a first.

    • http://scottslant.blogspot.com/ Scott A. Robinson

      They’re just being generous you know!

  • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

    I hate to say it, but I think I agree.

    • David Kaiser, Editor

      Why is it that every time you or Scott agree with me it always starts with “Hate to say it” or “I can’t believe I agree with Kaiser?”

      I’m starting to get a complex…

      • http://deleted JE

        Well, Kaiser, you are a complex guy. And as much as i hate to say it (actually i don’t) i agree. This guy has something seriously wrong psychiatrically going on. Father’s day weekend you hop a jet to see your mistress in another country? You make yourself a national name by refusing to fed money and putting yourself up to run for office and think you can just disappear for a while and no one will notice? Beyond, that the conspiracy therist in me wonders if it is all part of the grand plan by the powers that be to distract from what is going on in washington. Healthcare wasn’t working so throw out a jerry springer episode for the masses while congress passes cap and trade (House this friday) and card check (senate friday). Between that and the hundreds of billions in stimulus that no one can find and the inflation that is going to create, it sickens me what is ‘newsworthy’.

      • Red State Eddio

        Add me to the “hate to agree with the Complex Kaiser” club (I can’t believe I’m saying that)… ;-)

        Yeah, he’s done. If for nothing else (which there is more than just this), he should resign to attend to his family and marriage. Right now, that is the most important issue he has to address. IF he truly is a man of faith and character, then he’ll demonstrate that over the next 2+ years that it will take to begin moving past this. It will be a painful road for them, and trying to be Guv at the same time is just going to give short-shrift to somebody, most likely the family.

      • http://www.politicalderby.com/ Jason Wright, Editor

        They made a cream for that, you know.

      • http://scottslant.blogspot.com/ Scott A. Robinson

        Kaiser,

        We’re just pointing it out so you don’t think we’re just a bunch of nutjobs that always oppose you, even when you occasionally make sense.

        I guess that means your sense-making has been on a hot streak lately.

        Or the issues have simply been that obvious.

        :-)

      • http://www.sotr.us Cordeiro

        I’m going to have to join the complex Kaiser chorus (say that three times fast).

        Wow. My equilibrium must be off. Must. Have. Diet. Coke.

    • kristen

      Oh my gosh, I think I agree with Kaiser too. Did hell just freeze over? ;-)

      • David Kaiser, Editor

        Haha kristen, I thought it was a little chilly in my office this morning.

        I’ll have to have that darned thermostat checked again!

  • David Kaiser, Editor

    Why am I not shocked that Rove and Coulter would both essentially say that they never thought he was a strong candidate for the GOP nomination.

    In any event, I woke up this morning and decided that Sanford needs to resign. Fast.

    • Brian H

      He should resign. His odd actions and behavior over the last week brings his stability into serious question.