Lack of experience not the only problem
Posted on October 25th, 2008 at 9:31 pm by KristenNot surprisingly, the NY Times deems Palin’s wardrobe expenses more important than a case against Barack Obama’s citizenship. Forking over a viable birth certificate to prove eligibility for the most powerful job in the world is trumped by a V.P. candidate’s designer clothes and stylists. Sarah’s apparel makes front page news; Obama’s lawsuit requires a search engine to even find an Op Ed piece on the matter.
The Times are not alone in their efforts to assist Obama in a Nov 4th victory. No major news networks are picking up the story. Even my semi-conservative local paper neglected to report on yesterday’s rulings; but on page three I saw useless information regarding Sarah’s personal stylist making more than some of McCain’s staff.
Philip Berg, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, filed a suit against The Anointed One claiming that Barrack Hussein (Oops! Used the middle name!) Obama is in fact NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States. Last time I checked, that was one of the three basic requirements to be POTUS. Apparently the ducks aren’t all in a row regarding Obama’s actual birthplace–Hawaii or Kenya–and how his alleged citizenship was actually given up anyway by taking up residency in Indonesia in 1967. Just a small piece of information, really, which could be cleared up with one piece of paper. So why no response from Obama or his lawyers to meet a federally-mandated deadline?
October Surprise was recently produced by an Independent film company……outlining Berg’s case against the DNC’s golden child.
I can already detect the questions/defenses the liberals are drumming up:
1. He posted his birth certificate on-line. Yeah, well, it’s not an actual birth certificate; it’s a certification of live birth…..not the same. Sure, they share the same info, but the latter includes less.
2. Yes, but factcheck.org also has his certificate on-line. The one on factcheck has a seal; Obama’s site does not. And really, factcheck? Isn’t there a conflict of interest when this site is owned by Annenburg of Chicago……the same group where Obama served as a board member? Three independent document forensic experts have already identified the certificate as forged. Plus, this posted document omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the U.S.: name of hospital, size and weight, even the doctor. And then there’s that part that identifies the race of the father. It’s described as “African”…..a term that would not have been used in 1961.
3. The local Hawaii paper announced his birth. They announced his birth, not his birthplace. Most people want to announce the birth of their child in their local newspaper, whether they are born there or not. This holds no validity.
4. Isn’t this the same guy with that conspiracy theory about Bush and Cheney blowing up the twin towers? Yes, yes it is. He’s also a life-long democrat. Not one comrade has called him up to ask him to drop the case. And if this were completely ludicrous, why hasn’t Obama’s legal team filed a counter lawsuit? Hmmm, what are they hiding……
5. This is some loon trying to attract attention. Seven other states have also filed similar lawsuits. Berg’s goal in this time-consuming effort is to uphold the Constitution.
6. What if Obama lost his birth certificate? Considering that one could easily obtain a duplicate within days, or Obama’s case probably hours, this carries no weight. But see, I doubt a lost document is the case. According to his own 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father,” he states “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.” If this precious document was so important to him then, why would he have lost it…….and why is he so afraid to show it?
Now, before the lurkers and liberals foam at the mouth and commence hurling verbal assaults, just answer me one question: Why can’t your candidate produce a simple document? This whole fiasco would be put to rest by one simple task. Prove Mr. Berg wrong. Make him look like an idiot.
The fact of the matter is, there is more to Mr. Obama than meets the eye. The secretive nature of this man and his continual down-play of various associations are frightening. Obama continually refuses to release documentation of birth and records from any of the universities he attended (could it be because those records contain info regarding said crucial info?)
And one more question: Why on earth would Barrack leave his campaign at such a critical time to fly to Hawaii to visit his ‘ailing’ grandmother? And if said grandmother is so gravely ill, why did he leave his wife and daughters at home?
Unfortunately, Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the case yesterday on grounds that Berg has no standing to question the eligibility of the office of the president. So, if he holds no standing, you or I hold no standing……who does? According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution.
Now, whenever I apply for employment it seems I am required to hand over everything save my first-born. Background checks are a must with my current job. Shouldn’t the same be expected of our presidential candidates?
The suits in the seven states are still alive. Let’s hope the states’ secretary of state can require Obama to prove he meets one of the fundamental requirements outlined by our Constitution to hold the highest office in the land.
In the meantime, Mr Berg is appealing to the Supreme Court. And as soon as he obtains affidavits to release the very words from Obama’s paternal grandmother claiming that she was in fact there at her grandson’s birth in Kenya, the crap will hit the fan. (But you won’t hear about it on MSNBC.)
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Ok, I can see the problem of not having a valid birth cert, but..and anyone please answer this because it’s been along time since 8th grade civics…doesn’t having one parent who is a US citizen qualify you to be a “natural born citizen”? I assume his mother was a US citizen. Not that I’d vote for him, but I’m curious none the less
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
If one of his parents is a citizen that would make him a citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.
Obama meets the requirements, he does not meet the qualifications.
The laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time.
John McCain was also born in a U.S. Army hospital in Panama. And when questioned about his citizenship, he quickly and easily produced documents to prove so.
You are correct about McCain. Had his mother given birth to John while on vacation in Mexico he would still be a natural born US citizen.
I will not vote for Obama, but I assure you, he meets the requirements to serve as president.
This whole argument is illogical because don’t you think it is unfair to scrutinize a candidate for President simply because of his race. This would not even be a question if he was a white guy from Hawaii named Barry Dunham. Why is Barack the only one who has to put up all his information in such a way? Don’t you think when he submitted his candidacy this thing was checked. Do you think his family, classmates, every politician he has worked with, teachers, all fabricated and worked together his entire life to lie about where he was born?
And where else would he have been born? His mom was an eighteen year old student at the University of Hawaii with no money, and Obama Sr. was awarded a scholarship to study at the University of Hawaii. He could not leave just suddenly to go back to Kenya or whatever you assume, and neither them had the money. Obama Sr. had left Kenya to study economics at the University of Hawaii, and he did not return to Kenya until 1965. So Anne Dunham obviously returned to Kenya in order to birth her kid without her husband to birth her son in a foreign land.
This is absolutely ridiculous that you considered him still secret after 20 months.
You want to know about his early life and what shaped this man, Kristen? Read his autobiography, that he wrote in 1995 when he was 34 years old. In it he talks about his drug use, despite the fact that mentioning drug use would hurt his political career. He talks about what it means to be biracial in American life, and the anger he felt at people, white and black, growing up. In 2006 he published another book with a similar tone, discussing every political view from race to religion to the America’s view of the world, and discusses many of his experiences as a Senator.
The fact that you would take unsourced and uncredited comments from conspiracy theorists and value it above two books written by himself which would give more info that you would ever need, speaks more about your inability to use logic than his secrecy.
I love Sarah, but I am disgusted with her and her handlers over the clothing expenses. If someone has a gun pointed at you, do you load it for them? That would be stupid!
So, she needed some new clothes for campaigning. Fine. Understandable. Why not Ross, Kohls, Wal-Mart, Target, etc… - those places we in the middle class go to try and make ends meet.
This whole fight is about the “Reagan Democrats (conservative blue collars in the middle) so why insult them with shopping sprees at the finest and most expensive stores in NYC? Because of stupid people being in charge. Because of arrogance. If they did not know of the sure embarassment and campaign hit that would come of that, they are stupid. If they knew, but did not care, they are traitors!
Perhaps this election was lost anyway just because of stupid “W”, but the fashion-minded retards who dressed Sarah sealed the deal.
Whodat can barely spell, but he knows a middle-class hang-tag when he sees it…
LOL whodat. I’m not sure why she had to go to Neiman Marcus, and perhaps it was foolish, but it means nothing next to Obama’s character.
Palin NEVER went shopping. As pointed out by Fred Barnes, most of the clothing was purchased for her during the convention. The idea that Sarah left the campaign trail to go on a shopping spree is absurd. Although, whoever has purchased her clothing has done a wonderful job, she looks GREAT.
Has this election grown so tiresome that we are now debating clothing prices and Obama’s eligibility to serve?
Has this election grown so tiresome that we are now debating clothing prices and Obama’s eligibility to serve?
Perhaps. I still think there’s something to this though. If this isn’t an issue, Obama should just clear it up. End of story.
How lucky for Sarah to have a personal shopper…..and one who has great taste. I understand that after the election the clothes will be given to charity. I wonder what kind of charity needs such attire? (You have to admit–the mainstream media is making way too big of a deal of this.)
You are 100% correct.
Who will the media attack when they won’t have Republicans to kick around anymore. I am sure they will blame everything bad on Bush, as they currently do.
The only reason anyone even questions he was born in America is because he is black and the son of a Kenyan immigrant and an American mother.
All of your rebuttals are simply illogical. I can rebut every single one of them.
1. In the factcheck article it states: “The document is a “certification of birth,” also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. ”
2. The document is a reissue of his birth certificate, so the information may have been updated to meet current standards. Hence, since it widely known he is African
3. This is no longer necessary with previous rebuttals. However, it is highly doubtful any announcement would occur if Anne Dunham had run off to Kenya to birth Obama.
4. No one has asked him because anyone thinking rationally can easily dispute his claim. And the claim has been disputed.
5. Seven other loons is not unreasonable in this country, given how much many conservatives dislike him for faulty reasons (he is a muslim, arab, etc.)
6. This has never been suggested by any credible sources.
This is not a story because every reasonable person can see the logical fallacies behind these assertions. Obama does not need to rebut these because they are promoted and believed only by the crazy conservatives. Is this was a big issue, why has no single credible conservative talked about it?
Also this is a nonissue because it has already been disproven. The truth is the Obama campaign has already posted rebuttals to all the smears against it at fightthesmears.com.
This is the article proving his birth in the USA:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Below is connection to a Washington Post article doing the same.
J.
Is every question anyone may ask about General Zod Obama a question “because he is black”?
Kristen asked an important technical question, there is no evidence she asked it “because he is black”. The same questions were brought up about McCain’s status several months ago, was that because he is “black” also?
As I have said before…….get ready. The racial politics is going to be out of control for the next 10 years. Lets all get ready to do some serious walking on egg shells for a long time. The J’s of the world have cocked and loaded their “racist” gun and are ready to fore it at any criticism that anyone will make about General Zod Obama.
I have Obama fatigues already and the guys is not President yet. Am I the only one?
There is no reason to question his citizenship, as he was born in America, and has been stated in doing such.
The real question is why did Kristen question his citizenship status? Why can’t Kristen trust in an image of his certificate of live birth. For that matter, why can’t a lot of people trust in it? People are trying to look for reason to disqualify in the most dishonorable ways.
There is no reason why Obama should have to give his certificate of birth in the first place. There was no reason to distrust that he was an American citizen. I bet not a single person can give me either of those reasons.
McCain was questioned about this because the term “natural born”. I didn’t agree with this either, but once it was decided he was, it was done. This has been decided. He is an American citizen. Get over it.
Brian is correct. This has nothing to do with “black or white”. I’m just bringing it to the table, because whether you like it or not, it is has created quite a buzz on the web. There are inconsistencies concerning his birth all around. And like I said, if Barack would just produce that little slip of paper, these ‘rumors’ would be quelled….and everyone would shut-up and go away.
As stated earlier, factcheck is not a reliable source. Neither is Obama’s own fightthesmears. Forensics have already decided these ‘certificates’ are forged.
It is believed that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy. Pregnant women in their third trimester are not allowed to fly.
That the Obama campaign chose to address this issue in a less-than-forthcoming way causes people to ask questions. The fact that Barack Obama has chosen not to release medical, college or university records has also raises eyebrows. These are questions which might easily be answered with the release of records which many Americans have to cough up in order to secure employment.
The longer these records remain hidden from the public’s view, the more questions–and now, lawsuits–will be initiated.
“And like I said, if Barack would just produce that little slip of paper, these ‘rumors’ would be quelled….and everyone would shut-up and go away.”
He produced a slip of paper. I just gave you a link. It was deemed real by independent sources, and has not been determined as a forgery. I don’t get how you can logical dispute that. I have not seen a single forensic report. You want him to provide a paper, but he does on fightthesmears and then you discredit immediately.
There is no proof that his mother every traveled to Kenya. I don’t get why you keep assuming this. I’ll show you my previous post:
“His mom was an eighteen year old student at the University of Hawaii with no money, and Obama Sr. was awarded a scholarship to study at the University of Hawaii. He could not leave just suddenly to go back to Kenya or whatever you assume, and neither them had the money. Obama Sr. had left Kenya to study economics at the University of Hawaii, and he did not return to Kenya until 1965.”
There is no evidence in Obama’s biography to suggest otherwise.
“Why on earth would Barrack leave his campaign at such a critical time to fly to Hawaii to visit his ‘ailing’ grandmother? And if said grandmother is so gravely ill, why did he leave his wife and daughters at home?”
Because his grandmother is dying, I don’t see how you can question his motives. His biggest regret was not being there when his mom died. His wife remained on the campaign trail to not disappoint the supporters who wanted to see him at the rallies.
“The fact that Barack Obama has chosen not to release medical, college or university records has also raises eyebrows. ”
First of all neither has McCain produced college records. Both have had their doctors release statements on their behalf. Secondly, if look at his biography, you will find plenty of example of his college record. He graduated Magna Cum Laude of Haravard Law School and President of the Havard Law Review. Being president of the Harvard Law Review is based on merit alone.
The Harvard Law School News Coordinator, Emily Dupraz, has confirmed that Obama graduated magna cum laude. Look it up online.
In my previous posts, I have present many of the logical fallacies of your argument. You have yet to address them.
“You have yet to address them.”
Sorry; I’m a religion-clinging individual. Sundays are busy…..and I only have a few minutes to respond. So let me take a few:
“There is no reason why Obama should have to give his certificate of birth in the first place.”
Why not? This should be checked on anyone running.
“Don’t you think when he submitted his candidacy this thing was checked?”
Not necessarily. Can you believe nobody checks these things? We have no federal agency that checks these minor details. The question has never really been raised….until now. There were questions about Van Buren, but he produced documents to show he was eligible (he was born in what was then U.S. territory). This suit was filed in Aug, before the convention and could easily have been settled then. But it wasn’t. Obama’s team could easily counter sue for defamation; they haven’t.
“Why is Barack the only one who has to put up all his information in such a way?”
Good grief. Sarah Palin’s entire life is under a microscope. Barack is given a fee pass.
“I have not seen a single forensic report.”
And you see everything, right? Here’s a few places.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ec_1216663468
“Is this was a big issue, why has no single credible conservative talked about it?”
They have. Michael Savage had Berg on his show. Most are afraid of the race card being played, just as you immediately played it.
“The claim has been disputed.”
No it hasn’t. That’s the whole point of these lawsuits.
“In the factcheck article it states…..”
Again, factcheck. Conflict of interest. And that’s bogus. Certification of live birth is not good enough for many things. Anyone could get an actual copy of their birth certificate within days.
“The document is a reissue of his birth certificate, so the information may have been updated to meet current standards.”
Not so. New copies are generally a photocopy of the original.
“If look at his biography, you will find plenty of example of his college record.”
Nobody cares about his cum laude awards. They’re talking about application records.
“There is no evidence in Obama’s biography to suggest otherwise.”
And his biography contains everything. Please. I could write an autobiography and fill it full of lies and/or leave out information. There are audiotapes yet to be released (awaiting affidavits) of Obama’s paternal grandmother saying she was at his birth in Kenya.
All anyone is asking is for Obama to prove this guy wrong. I think it would be great if he could come out and say, “Hey, these lawsuits are a joke. Here’s my birth certificate.” I’d actually gain an ounce of respect for the guy.
His non-action speaks volumes, raises eyebrows, and many questions.
The campaign has posted his certificate of live birth because in the United States the question of citizenship is handled on the state level. The states document each birth. In most states, this document is entitled a “Certificate of Live Birth”. He posted this, ending this rumor for anyone who does not believe in conspiracies. Unfortunately, there are people who think the moon landing was fake, 9/11 was done by the incredible intelligent ogranization of George Bush, and that Obama is a muslim socialist, who was not born in America, has radical mentor named Bill Ayers, went to a Anti-American Christian pastor, and a manchurian candidate who seeks to destroy America.
I did not mean to say it was only a question of his race. I was trying to say it is because his father is an African immigrant that his citizenship is brought into question. If he was not the son of an immigrant, this would not be a question.
The only ones pulling the race card are Democrats.
The only ones using racist attacks are the Republicans.
Here are some examples:
Governor Frank Keating (Republican) recently called Obama a “man of the street”. Despite being President of the Harvard Law Review and a United States Senator, he is a “man of the street”.
A Florida Officer called the Democratic Candidate “Barack Hussein Obama” to highlight Obama’s middle name. In an era where there definitely is anti-Arab sentiment in this country that is completely observed. And when you say,”well that’s his full name”, when the last times you heard McCain called “John Sidney McCain the Third”? Because that’s his full name.
The California Republican Committee were handing out foodstamps with his face on it next to fried chicken and koolaid.
Those are some examples of racist attacks.
J,
I’ve been following this campaign so closely that I’m sick of it (as most of us are by now), and you mention race more than anyone that I ever read or hear.
Give the race card a rest.
So. Am. I.
I’ll be glad when Nov 4th is over.
I was responding to a comment from Troy. I will be glad when this race is over as well. If Barack is elected, stupid rumors like this will be quelled hopefully to only a minority.
Your are right, J. The “stupid rumors” about Obama will be overshadowed by his stupid policies, and his stupid VP.
Am I the only one who is deeply concerned with the possibility that Joe Biden is a “heartbeat away” from being President?
You are not alone Brian.
Not a single person who has worked with Joe Biden would be afraid. Not even John McCain. If this thing came down to a tie, and the Vp was selected by the senate vote, Joe Biden would be nominated over Sarah Palin in a landslide.
J.
Being that Biden is an “expert” on foreign relations I am sure he has taken many positions on critical foreign policy issues where he was proven to be correct. Could you please share an example of one of those with the rest of us? We will all sleep better tonight if we knew Biden was right, even once.
The problem is your partisan views will not reflect his past successes. In 1979, Biden met with the Soviet Foreign Minister Andrey Gromyko to teach him about American concerns and interests, and secured several changes to address objections. Biden made an effort to help the Balkans in the 1990s and brought national attention and influenced presidential policy. Biden’s own resolution was instrumental in convincing President Bill Clinton to use force to the conditions there.
Although he voted for the War, he argued repeatedly that the war needs broad international support, that more soldiers were needed, and that Bush should “level with the American people” about the cost and length of the conflict. As Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee he has a wealth of knowledge on the subjects, and questions the current strategy.
His accomplishments include the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,
the landmark Violence Against Women Act of 1994, which combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars to address domestic abuse crimes crimes.
Anyone who overlooks all these accomplishments is either biased or does not understand what an accomplishment is.
“Anyone who overlooks all these accomplishments is either biased or does not understand what an accomplishment is.”
I plea guilty to both.
Joe Biden said 8 days ago…
“I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I’m not being falsely humble with you.”
Really? He said that!
This whole issue smacks of conspiracy theory and is just a pathetic argument.
I from the area where the lawyer (Berg) who filed the lawsuit is from, he ran for governor here in PA. The guy is a quack. He is one of those lovely individuals who think that our own government planned and executed 9/11.
Nice side to line up with on that one!
There’s a lot of inconsistencies. All that’s being asked is to clear them up; that’s not asking a lot. Obama is just dodging.
I already stated that Berg was the guy with the other lawsuit. We can argue that there’s wackos everywhere, on the left and the right. I find it interesting that a liberal democrat who is a life-long member of the NAACP is raising this issue. But he’s not alone on this.
And like I said….just bringing it to the table; it’s worthy of discussion.
He is not dodging if he posts on his website a picture of his ceritificate of live birth. You are dodging the information however if you assume its false.
This is only being brought up because his father is an African immigrant. If he was not the son of an immigrant, this would not be a question.
It does sound like a conspiracy theory, but I don’t know why it’s such a big deal to produce a birth certificate. McCain did it when his status was questioned, so why can’t Obama? It’s either that he thinks he’s above it and shouldn’t have to bother with these petty things or he doesn’t have one. It seems like producing a document would be an easy way to make this thing go away and squash the rumors.
This is the article proving his birth in the USA:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Below is connection to a Washington Post article doing the same.
As for Palin’s wardrobe, the media would have been all over her if she wasn’t dressed well. Remember them making fun of Hillary’s pantsuits?
They’re so concerned about her wardrobe, but of course the aren’t going to mention the $150+K for Obama’s podium and greek columns at the convention.
At least they can auction off Palin’s clothes for charity or something.
They’re so concerned about her wardrobe, but of course the aren’t going to mention the $150+K for Obama’s podium and greek columns at the convention.
Of course not. The ‘Messiah’ can do no wrong in their eyes.
Besides, making that an issue might be considered racist.
All the clothes Hillary wore she bought herself.
They only decided to auction her clothes after the news soured.
The problem is not the clothes, but the fact that it undercuts her populist message in the same way John Edwards’ $400 haircuts undercut his. She can’t know what it is like to be Joe the plumber if the clothes she wheres costs more than his house.
And if she wore pleather boots and a Mary Kate and Ashley skirt from Wal-Mart, the MSM would be all over her for that too. Seriously, the right didn’t start blasting Obama for how much he spent on his Greek columns and podium.
So right, Alaina.
Gone are the days when the MSM attacked Palin for being an Alaskin gun swinging moose hunting hick, now she is a “diva”.
J, I officially dub you Obama’s number one fan. I seriously think you would take a bullet for this guy. More power to ya’. But you’ve got to understand how he comes off to a lot of us: Elitist, secretive, shady, misguided, inexperienced. And you can argue until you are blue in the face; it’s not going to change our minds.
The purpose of this post was two-fold: 1) How the press is so unbelievably biased and unfair towards the McCain campaign, and 2) The evasiveness of Obama. Concentrating on the latter, this story is what has people up in arms about him. He won’t face the music and deal with things head on. A posted birth certificate is crap. I could fork over a few bucks and buy myself a PhD certificate and post it on a website. Anyone knows you can doctor those things up. If I told future employers to look up my transcripts on-line, they’d tell me to take a flying leap. Every other candidate, past or present, who has been asked to pony-up such documents has done so; he won’t.
This Berg guy (and the other 7 states) could be total crackpots; I know that. Just prove it. Bottom line is, he runs away from direct questions and is unbelievably vague about his past. Personally, I don’t like the crowd(s) he’s run with nor his political history (however brief that is). McCain’s not my first choice for president, but frankly, Obama just doesn’t sit right with me.
But hey, you have your right to support the guy, just like I have the right to dislike him and question his motives.
You have a right to your opinion, but not to your own facts. I have no problem discussing policy. But when you get into people’s motives, well, you don’t know their motives. You are just speculating. Fight the smears was designed as an information resource to resolve issues like this. Even fox news has not brought this up with interviews to his spokepersons, it really it is not an issue.
Like I said before, the mere fact that you take the word of conspiracy theorist over the words, actions, and writings of presidential candidate himself, speaks volumes about your bias rather than his secretive nature.
“You have a right to your opinion, but not to your own facts.”
Ditto.
“The mere fact that you take the word of conspiracy theorist over the words, actions, and writings of presidential candidate himself…”
There ARE no words or actions!! I’m not taking the word of a ‘conspiracy theorist’; I’m looking at his evidence and asking a candidate to set it straight.
I am using facts. You are trying to question general agreed upon ideas. Therefore, your facts must disprove my facts. Some of your links were referring to the Daily Kos link rather than my links. And my facts, are done by veritable organizations, such as the Washington Post, Poltifact, and Factcheck.org. Factcheck requested it from the State of Hawaii Department of Health because in the United States, birth certificates are done at the state level. The states file documents for every birth. In most states, this document is entitled a “Certificate of Live Birth”.
“There ARE no words or actions!! I’m not taking the word of a ‘conspiracy theorist’; I’m looking at his evidence and asking a candidate to set it straight.”
There are actions and words from the campaign. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Fightthesmears is funded by and a part of the Obama campaign. It is the same thing as a candidate releasing press statement. They are not always written directly by the candidate, but they are from the candidate.
And I am speaking to the larger idea by the way. You claim that he has a secret agenda and past when he has two books that could tell everything you need to know from his policies to his past mistakes. And yet, you trust the words of conspiracy theorists, right wing blogs, and right wing pundits over his own words.
Ok. Remove twisted panties from crevice. Breathe.
J, J, J…..you’re missing the point. How can I trust a guy who took bribes from Fannie Mae? How can I trust a guy who claims he can give 95% of the population a tax cut, when that’s not even possible? How can I trust someone who is linked to ACORN, Ayers, and Wright (these are totally documented)? That’s the issue.
I really think you’d make a great Secret Service Agent for Barry. You’ll defend him to the death.
But you know…..It’s getting late, I’m going to bed, and I seriously don’t care anymore.
I can’t wait for Nov 5th.
J: “This is the article proving his birth in the USA:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Below is connection to a Washington Post article doing the same.”
This article is written by his campaign staff. It is not fact but what they want you to believe. You Liberals always try to duck and dodge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-3C0v8eVfw
how do you know Hillary didn’t expense her clothes? I know for a fact that she wore an Oscar de la Renta (for those of you who don’t follow fashion, he’s one of the most sought after designers). She and Bill charge the government more in monthly rent for their Secret Service to stay in their guest house than their monthly mortgage bill.
For once, please just admit that their is a biased here. You really don’t have to make excuses for all the wrong-doings of every Democrat. It’s okay to say they’re wrong sometimes. Please don’t say we do the same for Republicans. Most of us have said numerous times that we’re more Anti-Obama than we are Pro-McCain.