Ickes to DNC: “[T]ake this to the [convention] credentials committee…”
Posted on May 31st, 2008 at 6:01 pm by Contributor ArchiveBy a vote of 15-12, the DNC committee meeting in DC just rejected a motion to seat all of Florida’s delegates to the nominating convention. An unhappy audience interrupted the proceedings to chant “Denver!” for about two minutes.
An alternate motion to divvy pledged delegates by awarding one half vote for each is still under discussion, but drew loud hisses from the crowd.
Meanwhile, one committee member just said, “Do you like Democracy? Well, this is the next best thing” about the compromise.
Peanuts! Popcorn! Cold beer!
Oh, here we go: the count is in: unanimous (27 for, with one committee member from Florida unable to vote). The DNC will count each Florida delegate as one-half vote.
Now the same motion is under discussion for Michigan.
Fasten your seatbelts: Here’s Harold Ickes, who rises “in opposition” and “finds it inexplicable that this body … is going to fly in the face of … fair reflection. This motion will hijack, hijack, remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton and (negate the votes) of 600,000 Michigan voters… This body is going to substitute its judgment for 600,000 voters, now that’s Democracy!” He is stunned at “the gall and chutzpah.”
He’s arguing that you can’t violate “fair reflection,” citing its inclusion in the DNC charter. A vote for the half-vote motion would strip his candidate Hillary Clinton of four votes.
“Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her right to take this to the credentials committee” at the convention, he says. The crowd chants “Denver! Denver!” again.
I think Ickes is going to vote against the motion. Hard to tell, he’s so coy about his feelings.
In the end, I predict each state will get half its delegates. I guess the DNC could only afford a six-inch ruler with which to swat knuckles!
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7:16 pm EDT: Indeed, Fla & Mich are now DNC demi-states.
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I thought that Hillary should get all the votes for Florida that would be indicated by the results.
Michigan is a bit different. Obama didn’t have to remove his name from the ballot but did it anyway.
This removes any chance his sign in votes could get counted. I know they want that 40% of unconmitted votes but how can anyone say who they were really voting for?
Hillary should get her 55%, Obama should get 30% of the uncommited vote with Edwards and Richardson getting 5% each.
But to be fair, uncommited means nobody should get those votes and that would give Hillary ALL of the delegates.
Now we can hear Obama give his obligatory statement that we now need to “talk about the issues the American people care about”. Hey Barry….WE CARE that your “judgement” is so baaaddddd.
there was no way for her to get the Florida delegation- the minimum sanction under the rules is a half delegation.
As for the Michigan question, its entirely impossible to know how the results would have turned out if both names were on the ballot, both campaigned there, and thousands of voters didn’t decide not to participate in what they were told was a meaningless election. The Michigan compromise was a pretty fair one- it gives about as much credence to the election as can possibly be infered, while seating the Michigan delegation with the minimum sanctions allowable under the rules.
The day was a very good one for Hillary, its just that her overall situation is so bad that only a miracle could have satisfied her and allowed her to remain a credible candidate. Obama will get the delegates needed to secure the nomination soon after the third, and, though Hillary certainly may take this to the credentials committee, she will be treated with the respect and attention she deserves in the meantime, and at the convention. If she truly goes to the convention to try and raise hell, she will lose not only the nomination, but her political future. And Bill won’t allow that.
Don’t you get it? She will hurt Obama enough to hand the election to McCain so she can run again in 2012. If she can’t get elected they will groom their daughter for the next shot.
I am not a Pay-Per-Viewer of
WWE “smackdowns” and such
But, to prepare to watch the Demos
In Denver, I must get in touch.
Half-Nelsons, body-slams, gouges…
I expect all in the floor-fight!
Better than all those boring
Speeches, we’ll have 4 days of FIGHT-NIGHT!
So, the DNC, using Solomon’s idea,
Has just about halved the delegations,
Making almost nobody happy at all
Except us RIGHTISTS - we’re in CELEBRATION!!!
Will this year’s Demo-nomination fight
Be fully available on a DVD?
It’s been such a joy to watch, I’ll hate
To say good-bye, so, please, a DVD for me.
Whodat gets giddy at all dat smackin’ and whackin’ in the Demo cage
It’s going to be the political version of mixed martial arts–freestyle, brawling, a little jujitsu, and lots of blood. I give the the Dems credit; they know how to bring the entertainment to a party!
Entertainment? This is more fun than I’ve had wif my cloths off or on in years. I might get one of them
“Entertainment Centers” like thy sell at Best Buy for the Super Bowl… But, mine be fo the
“SUPER BRAWL”. Liberals on Liberals, Lawyers on Lawyers. Fantasies are made of these…
Whodat lookin for a “Political Viagara” so I don’t miss nothin’!!!!!!!!!!
Entertainment? This is more fun than I’ve had wif my cloths off or on in years. I might get one of them
“Entertainment Centers” like thy sell at Best Buy for the Super Bowl… But, mine be fo the
“SUPER BRAWL”. Liberals on Liberals, Lawyers on Lawyers. Fantasies are made of these…
Whodat lookin for a “Political Viagara” so I don’t miss nothin’!!!!!!!!!!
Whodat Whodat
wit’ a sharpened pencil sat
almost sharp as Whodat wit
on a keyboard Whodat sit
Thought he clever, thought he wise
’til he swallowed GOOPy lies!
Though ‘publicans can have brains, too
guess one of those is good ol’ Who
dat Whodat
Wish Whodat would open eyes!
Sorry, Whodat wit is very slow…
Your point is? I’d like to know…
Whodat confused and disoriented in dis verse
So that’s your excuse for supporting McCain - you’re confused and disoriented? I’ll buy that.
SA, is no Whodat…
Stick to your political beliefs, SA. You may be wrong (grin), but I can respect your heart and non-waivering dedication.
Whodat easily has you beat on the rhyme and wits front.
GOOP = Grand Ol’ Obsolete Party
GOOP? This from someone who votes for a political party whose icon is a Jack Ass…
SA, if you wanna play professional troll, you’re gonna have to do better than that.
As far as critters go, you folks have the better icon, I willingly concede.
Now let’s talk policy…
Pfft. The whole Michigan/Florida thing was a stunt scripted into the 2008 election script over a year ago.
To maximize racial tension *and* let Obama save face, they have to have Hillary steal the election in a weird technical/weird/hateful way. So they make it seem that Obama was the clear winner a few months ahead of the DNC…then Hillary does some stunts to steal it.
I no longer say these scripted elections are bad…but I’m surprised that (1) so many people fall for it (though many think pro-wresting is real) and (2) they bother to go through all that deception. I think the masses often (consciously and unconsciously) just play along…and that the powers that be simply have too much time on their hands.
Anyway, many Ron Paul supporters want to make a scene at the RNC (ala Goldwater). I disagree with them. Ron Paul is all class…and we should follow his example.
Lazlo, you have much more faith than I;
To believe anybody could such a script write…
And, then to make the characters DO all
They’ve done? From Iowa to Rev. Wired Wright?
Au contrar, mon amis, no way could it be
Controlled, me thinks even by God,
That the weird and wacky world of Dean’s
Demo Party could be organized to act so odd!
Whodat thinks even Darwinism could not explain dat
evolution going on over there
Too true, Who.
I’d call it unintelligent design.