Like I said, you could be right, in time, they could become a major force.

They could also vanish.

I’ve run for office before. Seeing rhetoric like Brian H’s only fuels my desire to start again. I think the party needs help. This will be the first election in 24 years that I won’t vote Republican. Normally I would swallow my pride and vote for the lesser of two evils but this time that person is None Of The Above.

Who else has pointed out that the Constitution says Congress has to declare war before we fight one?

I feel we had to go into Afghanistan and Iraq but there are procedures and they weren’t followed.

Reagan wanted to get rid of the Department of Education and others simply because they were not part of the Constitution. Paul and Barr only want to finish what Reagan started. Why have people such as yourself strayed so far away from those beliefs?

First of all, I think Brian H has gone off the deep-end and joined the likes of Lazlo with his statements. Am I a Ron Paul supporter? No. Do I respect the man? Yes. Do I agree with all of his views? Hardly.

That doesn’t make him a “KOOK”.

I agree that some of his supporters are a bit extreme, but I also do not agree with becoming a sterotyper like Brian H seems to have done.

I enjoy debating with the likes of Troy, even if I don’t always agree with them, that’s sort of the point of this website.

Troy’s stand is that Ron Paul is the next Barry Goldwater, which is a bold statement. It’s a fine prediction, but that is all it is. It took Goldwater’s conservative movement 16 years to manifest itself. There are a heck of a lot of other “movements” that never took flight, despite the ferver and conviction of its supporters.

Look at George Wallace.

I wish the Paul people luck, and I don’t judge them like some, but I also don’t buy it quite yet.

It will take some time to see if Ron Paul is Barry Goldwater or just another guy trying to make a difference.

I know someone will say that they only plan on doing so if Dr. Paul doesn’t get invited to speak. What exactly do you think he would speak about? He would undoubtably undermine the Republicans national security policy and hurt the Republican nominee.

He’s been invited to almost every debate the Repubs have had this primary season and at every one he’s highlighted the differences he has with Republicans instead of the similarities. If he wanted to talk about limited government or his support for the 2nd ammendment, I’m sure Johnny Mac would let him speak. But you can’t seriously think that Paul or his Paulites would play nice when almost everything they’ve done has suggested they would do otherwise.

It’s time for some “straight talk”. The Iraq war and to some extent the war against islamic jihadists is an unpopular war. No one, and I mean no one, wanted this war. President Clinton ignored the threat that Bin Laden and his followers posed to America and her citizens. When Bush ran in 2000, he ran on the idea that America would largely leave the rest of the world alone. He wanted to privatize social security, cut taxes, increase school choice, and do a long list of things that I don’t remember since I was only 10 at the time. But when two huge passenger planes (filled with fuel) carrying American citizens was flown into the world trade center, everything changed. Was it a mistake to invade Afganistan, no. Was it a mistake to invade Iraq, maybe. But we’re there now, we have the responsibility to the citizens of Iraq and our soldiers who have sacrificed their health and lives to ensure a free and secure Iraq.

In my opinion, it is nothing more than political opprotunism on the part of Dr. Paul to act like he’s the only Republican who doesn’t want war. Once again, no one wants war. But almost no one wants another tragedy like September 11th ever again. It is the responsibility of government to protect its citizens from outside forces, and that is exactly what heroes like John McCain are trying and have tried to do. Unfortunately, some individuals like Dr. Paul are willing to risk another terrorist attack in the name of preventing war. I would a lot rather see terrorists killed in Iraq than innocent American citizens who were only going to work here at home.

We didn’t start this conflict with Jihadis, but rest assured someone is going to finish it. If we don’t, they will.

How far we have come when we compare voices of Conservatism like Goldwater, Reagan, and Buckley to Paul, 9/11 Truthers, and Anti-Globalization protesters.

You may think they are kooks BrianH but they are the ones who will be running the GOP within ten years.

Reagan has said, “I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.”

and

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’ ”

I believe that labels him a kook in your eyes.

They have made it clear they won’t be handing out McCain stuff, but they are all working hard for the lower ticket candidates. They pushed hard to get the Republican Party to come down against the county giving money to the Chamber of Commerce, and raised a stink when the County Chair said in the paper that some times taxes have to go up. He had to go back and make a statement that he was not speaking for the Republican party.

I’ve not found them to be kooky across the board, but some are. (heck even the Pualites voted to not let one on the committee.) They have shaken up this county committee and are pushing the mantra “no taxes, less regulation, no compromise.” If they stay involved they are going to run the Republican party here. Several town candidates are competitive this year because of the Paulites support. Support we could not give, they found three or four Paulites to dedicate to the campaign. The best we were able to do is give each candidate $100.

If the rest of the party is seeing this, Brian, your going to see a lot of state and congressional candidates in the Ron Paul model in a few years. If they are Kooks, well they have revitalized our party at the local level. We have a bunch of young and hard working people now.

So all your ranting on this site has really only done one thing, made us all think YOU’RE the KOOK and LOON.

Paul talking to 9/11 Conspiracy NUTTERS, Student Scholars for Truth.

Student: …we’ve heard that you have questioned the government’s official account.

Paul: Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever.

Student: So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?

Paul: Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it.

Paul: And we’d have a better chance of getting a new investigation. Too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up.

Student: So I just wanted to say, you know, we’ve talked to Dennis Kucinich and he says that he’s willing to, you know, investigate it. He would advocate for a new investigation.

Paul: Into 9/11?

Student: Yeah, into 9/11. I mean, if it was Dennis Kucinich and you, there’d be congressional support. You know what I mean? So you wouldn’t be the only one.

Paul: It’d be bipartisan, too. And I’ve worked with Dennis a lot on a lot of these issues.

Student: Yeah. Yeah, and I know that he is really serious about this because I know that his office is already investigating certain aspects of 9/11 he’s having his guys look into.

Paul: I’ll talk to him about it.

Student: Yeah, that’d be great. Thank you, thank you very much!

AS I HAVE SAID……..KOOK

I understand how ridiculous a Paul/Kucinich ticket sounds. Some of its proponents really are confused, others know perfectly well the ideologies of both candidates but just feel very strongly about the areas they do agree on (war and civil rights). But that is neither here nor there, Paul supporters aren’t largely Kucinich or Obama supporters as well (some are).

Again Brian, please, since you seem to be the only one with the gift of knowing a KOOK when you see one, provide the rest of us with some evidence. Apart from ideological differences that is. I have ideological differences with McCain, but I don’t think he’s a KOOK.

Obama is Carter “2nd Term”.

The truth is that most (MOST) Paul supporters are the same anti-war,pot-smoking, first time voters that would be voting for Obama if not for Paul. That is why you hear rhetoric from these LOONS about a Paul/Kucinich ticket….HAHAHA

They are too STUPID to understand their own ideology.

Why smart ideological Libertarians cant recognize a KOOK when they see one is amazing. They want so much to be important I guess they will accept anyone who gets them ANY recognition. How Sad……..

I CANT BELIEVE THAT I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SPOT A NUTTER WHEN I SEE ONE!!!! Guess it takes one to know one.

This just proves my point. Paul is such a LOON he cant figure out which party to destroy. If I were the Libertarians I would want NO part of Ron Paul. The fastest way to discredit your party is to let this laughable-LOON lead it. HAHAHAHAHAHA

unified? Brining Hillary supporters to the fold will be easy once they see the nuts they’re running against… the GOP is splintered right now, and its looking pretty