But if any of them ever step on my lawn that even might be an illegal alien (hispanic looking or not), I’ll terminate the service. And I have told my landscape service rep that.

I will not give Romney any slack. He should have had someone making sure stuff like this doesn’t happen. I do.

I’ve seen far too many Americans lose their jobs due to crap like this. Yeah, the unemployment rate is low, but our standard of living is falling. Not looking out for fellow Americans is a big part of the problem.

I personally saw a team of highly skilled, highly experienced American programmers fired so a team of inexperienced Indian programmers could take over the project (an English encyclopedia web site). The site didn’t change one bit after the transfer. Half the programmers had to move to get work.

And this is just a common outsourcing nightmare…illegal aliens are far worse. Foreigners crossing into the US illegally is what I call the ‘gateway crime’. It leads to many many more crimes…both crimes committed by illegal aliens and crimes committed against illegal aliens.

Illegal immigration simply must stop…again, who do you trust will stop it. The Democrats and Republicans giving lip service yet trying to push amnesty law? Or Ron Paul?

The article was more documenting what happened than inserting opinion…and yes, Paul, despite being shorted time, does generate that much debate notation.

Here’s what opinionated writing looks like:

After silencing Giuliani and Huckabee in past debates, it was McCain’s turn to be silenced by Paul as McCain dared to counter Paul’s anti-Iraq war stance. McCain said “blah, blah, blah, you should be afraid of Islamic fanatics”…Paul responded something like “If true, then why does the military donate to me more than anyone else on the stage?!”

Like Giuliani and Huckabee, McCain will not do that again. He’ll let the neo con media slander Paul instead of honestly debate issues.

And the Fairtax?! Hah! Why replace the unnecessary, unconstitutional, and freedom destroying income tax when it is unnecessary, unconstitutional, and freedom destroying?! Compromise much? Do some research people…and I mean, do research beyond neo con shows and books.

Republican voters say they wants real conservatism, real freedom, etc. But when the rubber hits the road, they want the US to be an imperialist country…and hides behind the ‘Islamic fanatics’ crap that the government (who has proven themselves as untrustworthy) delivers. Meanwhile, Paul, via decades of video, voting record, legislation, etc. has proven himself to be trustworthy.

Really? Who do you trust?

Not hate mail, Ethan. I don’t hate you or your guy Ron Paul. I just wish that your objective in posting analysis of the debate was to portray the truth of what really happened and not to further your Ron Paul agenda. It seems like, because Paul has no chance to win, many of his cronies will try to use any means necessary to further advance his campaign, and I don’t want casual observers to be unfairly swayed by your inaccurate analysis.

By the way, what is it about Huckabee that scares you so much?

Some random thoughts.

Compared to the Bradley Gore debates which had eloquence and wit… Oh excuse me it is the XFL meets debates. We need more booing

I thought there were lots of good points
* Guliani explaining his record besides 9/11.
* Huckabee explaining his death penalty rationale
(although I disagree with it)
* Paul in his last answer

Chuck Norris as a walk in had a non-speaking role

John John, righteous indignation doesn’t work.

I am waiting for someone to slam Romney on his health care plan and his hidden taxes when he Governor.

Etan, you may want to check your facts here – Romney never “hired” illegal immigrants to perform landscaping or any other duties at his home…he contracted a landscaper who in turn hired illegal immigrants – BIG difference.

And if you still want to try and pin some blame or accusation that Romney is somehow a flip-flopper on illegal immigration because of that isolated incident – saying that he could have or should have done something about it…just how quickly do you think the ACLU would be on his case by asking any of those landscapers if they or the people they employ are legal to work in the U.S. or not? Go ahead – Ethan – and see how far you get by asking employers or employees how they stand with the laws…I bet your butt would be sued because it’s against the law to make such inquirees!

BTW – Ethan – odds are that you also (using your tactics) have hired illegal immigrants to work for you! When was the last time you ate at a McDonald’s, shopped at Walmart, purchased something at Home Depot? It’s known fact that illegal immigrants are employed – most of the time unknowingly – by some of these companies. You, therefore, and still using your analysis, are also emplying them!

Laslty – there’s a nice little flier that has surfaced from Romney’s 1994 campaign against Ted Kennedy…seems as though the ONLY issue that he has changed is his stance on abortion! In every other area, he was a staunch Conservative. But, you like to make mountains out of mole hills…and not just with Romney, but also it appears with every other candidate except Ron Paul.

For the record Boivie is a Paul supporter, but that’s ok. Jason, I have to hear more about the posts from your sister, sounds hillarious.

I have to agree with Bonehead on some points. The focus group who watched the debate was most impressed by Huckabee, and post-debate polls taken by both the Florida Chamber of Conference and Insider Advantage/Majority Opinion show Huck won by a large margin.

Segragationist? I resent your comparison between the hatred and racism that African-Americans experienced and Hunter’s suggestion that homosexuals shouldn’t serve in the milarary. One is a matter of color, the other is a matter of conduct.

I just thought I’d mention that Tancredo also came to Huck’s defense when Huck was getting some heat for his history with the death penalty.

I’m not near as upset as Bonehead was, but this did seem biased, and not just against Huckabee.

Prices after FairTax passage would look similar to prices before FairTax – not “30% higher” as opponents contend – competition would see to it. So, the FairTax rate (figured as an income-tax-rate-non-comparative, sales tax) on new items would be 29.85% (on the new, reduced cost of items because business isn’t taxed under FairTax – thus lowering retail prices by 20% to 30%), or 23% of the “tax inclusive” price tag – this is the way INCOME TAX is figured (parts of the total dollar).

The effective tax rate percentages, that different income groups would pay under the FairTax, are calculated by crediting the monthly “prebate” (advance rebate of projected tax on necessities) against total monthly spending of citizen families (1 member and greater, Dept. of Commerce poverty-level data; a single person receiving ~$200/mo, a family of four, ~$500/mo, in addition to working earners receiving paychecks with no Federal deductions) Prof.’s Kotlikoff and Rapson (10/06) concluded,

“…the FairTax imposes much lower average taxes on working-age households than does the current system. The FairTax broadens the tax base from what is now primarily a system of labor income taxation to a system that taxes, albeit indirectly, both labor income and existing wealth. By including existing wealth in the effective tax base, much of which is owned by rich and middle-class elderly households, the FairTax is able to tax labor income at a lower effective rate and, thereby, lower the average lifetime tax rates facing working-age Americans.

“Consider, as an example, a single household age 30 earning $50,000. The household’s average tax rate under the current system is 21.1 percent. It’s 13.5 percent under the FairTax. Since the FairTax would preserve the purchasing power of Social Security benefits and also provide a tax rebate, older low-income workers who will live primarily or exclusively on Social Security would be better off. As an example, the average remaining lifetime tax rate for an age 60 married couple with $20,000 of earnings falls from its current value of 7.2 percent to -11.0 percent under the FairTax. As another example, compare the current 24.0 percent remaining lifetime average tax rate of a married age 45 couple with $100,000 in earnings to the 14.7 percent rate that arises under the FairTax.”

Further, per Jokischa and Kotlikoff (circa 2006?) …

“…once one moves to generations postdating the baby boomers there are positive welfare gains for all income groups in each cohort. Under a 23 percent FairTax policy, the poorest members of the generation born in 1990 enjoy a 13.5 percent welfare gain. Their middle-class and rich contemporaries experience 5 and 2 percent welfare gains, respectively. The welfare gains are largest for future generations. Take the cohort born in 2030. The poorest members of this cohort enjoy a huge 26 percent improvement in their well-being. For middle class members of this birth group, there’s a 12 percent welfare gain. And for the richest members of the group, the gain is 5 percent.”

It’s well past time to scrap the tax code and pay for government the way that America’s working men and women are paid – when something is sold.

(Permission is granted to reproduce in whole or part. – Ian)

In the aftermath I am leaning toward Huckabee/Thompson/Paul in that order.

It is also obvious that he is a Ron(out in loonie-land) Paul supporter. That man had more goofy things to say than the rest of the candidates put together and he has absolutely NO CHANCE of being elected. He hardly deserves a mention except to say how he avoided answering whether or not he would run as in independant in the general election.

Get this guy outta here. Maybe he needs to be doing movie reviews or something, but not commenting on an issue as serious to the future of this country as presidential debates!

(bet this one gets moderated away, but I am making a copy of it to send to a few posters on here just in case it does)

But if they are going to invite people to the debate, give them equal time. These kinds of dirty tactics have been going on since time began; however, that doesn’t mean we have to tolerate them. We have choices that no other people has ever…and with that power, we can force others to treat us better.

You don’t get what you deserve…you get what you negotiate.

America is better than these debates, but we will continue to get them until we decide to demand otherwise.

No matter what they tell you…they need us much more than we need them.