CLC poll results: Ron Paul wins Conservative Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Posted on October 13th, 2007 by Stephen FountainBREAKING NEWS! Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has won the inaugural Conservative Leadership Conference straw poll. Despite not appearing at the conference, Paul won convincingly with 33% of the vote. Mitt Romney, who addressed the conference in a town hall meeting and during a general session, finished second with 16%. Duncan Hunter, who also delivered a major address during the three-day event, finished third at 15%.
The Full Results:
Ron Paul
32.80%
Mitt Romney
16.13%
Duncan Hunter
14.52%
Undecided
11.29%
Fred Thompson
7.53%
Rudy Giuliani
6.45%
Alan Keyes
3.76%
Mike Huckabee
3.23%
Tom Tancredo
1.61%
John McCain
1.08%
Other
1.08%
Sam Brownback
0.54%
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Good win for Ron!
Hunter wins over Thompson
Tancredo wins over McCain
Keyes wins over Huckabee
Other wins over Brownback.
Y’all explain this to me:
Paul, who is not a Pro-Life Libertarian
Wins going away with Conservatives
Is that not the most contrarian?
What is it he says that others don’t say?
What’s he got over Tancredo and Huck
How does he get a pass from the Biblical Right
Is it syle, looks, charm or just luck?
This vote signals a mile-post in an odd
Journey. Who knows we go from here?
The “Right” don’t like the top of Repubs
Obviously, and the rest of Paul are in fear…
Whodat confused
Explain this to me.
Who do you think Ron Paul is not Prolife?
everything he says and his record proves otherwise
National Right to Life Convention (Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
Ron Paul is a pro-life, but he is strict constitutionalist and wants each state to decide this issue.
Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate, who voted AGAINST Iraq war, AGAINST every Patriot Acts, AGAINST Military Comission Act of 2006. He is the only GOP candidate, who has NEVER voted for any tax increase or any unbalanced budget in his 10 terms in Congress. He is strongly FOR 2nd amendment.
He is the ONLY traditional GOP conservative in the race.
Every other GOP candidates support Bush NEO-CONSERVATIVE POLICY of big, powerful, unaccountable and intrusive government, out of control government spending, nation buildings and policing the world.
Did I answer your question, Whodat?
Well, Paul is staunchly pro-life. He’s sponsored bills to remove jurisdiction over abortion questions from the federal courts, and would return the question to the states, effectively overturning Roe v. Wade. He also sponsored a bill that would have defined life as beginning at conception. And on other conservative issues, such as the 2nd amendment, illegal immigration, fiscal conservatism he’s the best out of all of them. He is also an advocate of allowing voluntary prayer in schools. I don’t find it all that surprising.
Paul is a pro life libertarian. The Founders of the Constitution were Libertarians.
What he says, and how he has voted all his career has been principled and consistent. If there is one candidate you can believe, it’s Ron Paul. He’s never voted to raise taxes in 10 terms in Congress.
Whodat,
To assist in your confusion, Ron Paul is pro-life.
It’s time conservatives began to recognize Ron Paul as the only true conservative running for president with an actual shot at the white house.
Rudy is a Big Government liberal lawyer from new york. This guy is a complete sophist. He may be good at winning arguments on technicalities, and claiming credit for other people’s work (such as the NYPD and NYFD), but that doesn’t translate into leadership ability.
Romney and Huckabee are tax and spend liberals!
Fred Thompson is asleep.
Hunter is a protectionist.
Tancredo is a conservative, but he’s too preoccupied with immigration to remind people of that fact.
Ron Paul is a pro-life libertarian.
The same Ron Paul who (on the same page) “has not a chance of getting the Republican nomination”?
Perhaps their movement deserves more respect than most give credit to.
“Y’all explain this to me:
Paul, who is not a Pro-Life Libertarian
Wins going away with Conservatives
Is that not the most contrarian?”
Who told you Ron Paul isnt pro life? Better get some new sources for your information I would say.
An obstetrician who has delivered over 4,000 babies in his career, including while serving in Congress, Ron Paul is adamantly pro-life.
He has introduced bills in Congress numerous times to limit the Supreme Court’s authority to rule on such cases - which would effectively repeal Roe vs. Wade and return the authority to outlaw it to the states.
Apparently the rest of the Republicans would rather let abortions continue unabated and have a fund-raising issue than follow his lead and do anything about it.
What he’s got over Tancredo and Huckster? A true belief in individual liberty and peace and a voting record to match it.
Conservative pro-lifers are a major part of the Ron Paul Revolution. Welcome to it.
I am not at all surprised by the results from this conference. This was a VERY libertarian leaning conference and that means that Ron Paul picks up the votes from those folks.
However, look at the top 3 winners in this poll. Duncan Hunter took 3rd place and that is an impressive showing for all those out there who try to say that Duncan Hunter doesn’t have a chance. When he spoke out about the trade issues with China, everyone listened. I have a feeling that many folks were wishing they could’ve changed their straw poll vote after they listened to Congressman Hunter speak at the conference.
Looks good for Paul. http://www.RonPaul2008.com
A pro-life Christian doctor with an impeccable record and a true believer in limited government and a non-interventionist foreign policy.
We’re tired of living in a police state. Since 9/11, the U.S. law enforcement industry has killed more innocent Americans in the name of “security” than Al Qaeda has killed in the name of “terror.”
Ron Paul represents everything traditional conservatives want, including a longstanding (and unwaivering) opposition to abortion and fiscal resonsibility. The conservative base better start anaylzing our commitment to the concept of an Israeli state. It’s brought us nothing but trouble.
Why are we on Israel’s nuts? Do they hod the keys to some ancient reptilian spaceship or something? Otherwise, I see no benefit.
Question to regular posters at politicalderby.com…Did Ron Paul vote AGAINST the 2006 NDAA and MCA? I see that DefendtheConstitution says Paul is “against the MCA”…Well, did he vote against it and the National Defense Authorization Act? The NDAA removed Posse Comitatus and MCA removed habeus corpus which essential makes Bush Dictator…
Paul has written two books against Abortion. Because Abortion is STILL and ALWAYS HAS BEEN: MURDER. It is naturally a STATE issue as each state tries murder cases. The GOP didn’t support Paul when they held the majority in Congress w/ Bush to simply vote his bill through (on a simple majority vote) which would have clearly put the issue as solely a state matter (in essence the GOP members have thus been directly responsible for more murder to occur by not supporting COMMON SENSE (most likely because a good percentage of these bozos are FRAUDS and not at all “conservative” but “say anything” to get elected in their district.
Since Iowa as far as I can keep track, Huckabee hasn’t done that well in straw polls. That and the funding last quarter would normally keep him out of the press.
But his speaking style seems to endear himself to the press so he keeps getting favorable mentions.
If Paul had Huckabee’s speaking style and his message, he’d be in 4th place. He needs to show more empathy and be less wooden at times.
Would love to hear a good explanation on how pro-life means pro-death penalty. How life is sacred at birth but not later on.
He voted against the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act of 2006
DhaMan: Ron Paul stated in a recent debate that he is now opposed to the federal death penalty.
Wow. Thanks for all the 4-1-1,
Seems some Pro-Life nerves I hit…
But, FACT: “Libertarians” don’t like no
Rules, no time, so his “stand” don’t fit.
See, overturning Roe v. Wade means a
NEW RULE upon those who are “Pro-Choice”;
It says they can’t have abortions if they
Want: That is NOT a Libertarian voice.
Me thinks kicking abortion back to states
Really won’t change one thing at all.
Like Bush 1 said when asked that hypothetical
Q, “It would finally be his daughter’s call”
Whodat say women gonna get what they want
(and dat is dat!)
Why will I vote for Ron Paul? Because our volunteer army is spread so thin. Their tours of duty have been extended while time between rotations have been decreased. Recruitment is down (wonder why). I don’t see how we can maintain -let alone succeed- with our current military agenda without instituting the draft.
All this proves is that fringe and devoted party members go to these things. You’re going to have the lead be taken by either a fringe minority candidate or someone that actually bothered showing up. Look a Hunter’s numbers. He doesn’t register on any poll ANYWHERE yet he garners ~15% here? Or 40% here. http://www.texasgop.org/site/PageServer?pagename=straw_poll_results Why? Because he bothered showing up…
Straw poll have shown a remarkably weak correlation in terms of doing what their name implies, it terms of both the choosing of a party candidate and national elections. It’s like researching product reviews online. You’re heavily biased towards finding horrible user reviews, despite a possibly excellent product, simply because disgruntled people bother posting negative experiences about a product while millions of satisfied people are silent.
Letvob - in answer to your questions, Ron Paul voted against both.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2006-491
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/p000583/votes/against-party/page5/
Whodat: LOL! I don’t know if you hit a nerve or not I think folks just want to keep the correct information flowing.
Hey, if that is that then… I’m a women and I want Ron Paul to be the next President. Oh, and a libertarian in Conservative Republician clothing to boot.
Well that’s very sad statement about the people who attended the CLC.
Good for the CLC, Ron Paul is the most principled, most conservative man running for president. If you want to talk about fiscal conservatism Ron Paul is your man, if you want to talk about constitutional conservatism, Ron Paul is your man. If you want to talk about Ron Paul’s personal beliefs he is the most conservative.
He’s so conservative in fact that he won’t try to force his conservatism on anyone else, now that’s just amazing.
I am a pro-choice, anti-Roe conservative. Not wanting rules is not Libertarian - it’s anarchism. Libertarians favor only laws which defend rights which is completely different from not wanting laws. Libertarianism, as a philosophy, is also wholly different from the Libertarian party. There are plenty of libertarian Republicans. (There’s this one old guy in congress…) Ron Paul’s arguments against abortion appear at LibertariansForLife (and are completely secular, arguing against abortion on the basis of liberty, not religion or sanctity of life.) It is wholly libertarian to favor community rules (common law) at the federal level, as is defending life at the conceptual
level with regards to consistency and liberty under the law, but it is wholly a common law issue, such as the death penalty. Communities get to decide if they want to be libertarian or not, and libertarians get to decide if they want to be pro-life or not, not the parties or the federal government or the mob in control of it.
levotb, Paul voted “No” on both.
Military Commissions Act
In the House, Kucinich also “No”. Tancredo “Yes”.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll508.xml
In the Senate (September 28, 2006), Clinton, Obama, Dodd, Biden - No. McCain - Yes
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259
National Defense Authorization Act
In the House, Kucinich also “No”. Tancredo “Yes”
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll373.xml
In the Senate (October 1, 2007), the only senators who abstained from voting were: Biden, Clinton, Dodd, McCain, Obama. What a difference running for President makes.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00359
I attended the CLC ‘07, and took advantage of the opportunity to complete the straw pole. I think our readers (at FHK) would be interested in reading the other results of the straw pole. Where can we get a complete copy of the questions and answers?
Thanks!
Jenn
levotb, update on that NDAA
The link I posted (for Senate) was to the reauthorization of it. Here is the original link/votes - June 22, 2006:
“Yes” from Biden, Clinton, Dodd, McCain, Obama.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00186
Let’s see,…The day before your own straw poll you not only predicted that Ron Paul would not get the GOP nomination, but criticized him for being off at some gun show, rather than your CLC event. That sounds like enough cold water to dampen and chill any expectation for a favorable polling. How did he win with a percentage total higher than the three so-called “top-tier” candidates combined?
You can’t blame internet hackers of corrupting the numbers, like the CNBC executive did this week, after early post debate totals in their poll gave Ron Paul much higher than he deemed possible when he compared percentages to what he called “legit polls” taken elsewhere. He justified pulling the poll down when the three questions asked had Ron Paul running as high as 76/80/and 80% respectively, and the next highest of any of the poll was Fred Thompson at 5.8%! Six questions given by MSNBC after their evening rebroadcast, gave similar results, and therefore were never posted. On two of the questions, the “top three” did get higher scores than Paul. Giuliani/Romney/Thompson got 41/24/15% on “Who had the most rehearsed answers?”, and 46/17/16% on “Who avoided the question?”. Paul got only 11 and 9.1% respectively on those. I guess it’s good to let the others win at something even if it’s for appearing too canned or coy.
Whodat: Get a clue.
Robin: That’s what Fox, Little Green Fudgeballs, and other fascistic-dictatorial types say when the actual, democratic results don’t agree with their pre-screened, predetermined outcome.
Paul is the only consistent pro-life conservative. He is pro-life from conception, and is the only GOP candidate against the death penalty. Why do people keep saying he is not a republican? He is in his 10th term as a Republican congressman.
Methinks the press doth protest too much.
No Whodat, Libertarians are not aginst all laws and in fact, they like the Rule of Law that the constitution provides. That government protect liberty and rights. The first is the right to life. Ron Paul would remove limitations placed on day after pills and be a strong supporter of medical privacy but as an OGBYN would be naturaly opposed to the idea of killing babys. But the Roe v Wade rule that says one size fits all should be removed as some abortion is murderand it is up to the states to decide which is and which is not. If I killed an un born child in a car accident (even if mom was on the way to the abortion clinic) I would be charged with murder right? Think about it……..
I know, I mean, how can anyone who really wants to limit the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes, and adhere to our constitution cast a vote for that cranky old doctor from Texas? Must not be real conservatives I guess.
A strange dichotomy, double-standard in America….so much heat about abortion, and rightly so…but why not the same outrage about illegal, immoral slaughter of innocent, precious lives in our invasions, occupations? 275 times we’ve allowed our fearless chickenhawks to use our killing mch—-only ‘5′ were declared actual wars?
Our Tax Dollars allow that to happen everyday–while were are comfortably texting each other in the comfort of our(by comparison)palatial estates. American’s -in general don’t seem able to grasp the hypocrisy in that. If were pro-life–you can’t half step–we should be standing on the ‘Thou Shall Not Kill’ principle–across the board. If a country poses an indisputable threat—massing on our borders…you use the nuclear bomb(16K of them)..answer—if you invade us–or harm any innocent human being–for whatever lame reason–we may send you a very bad thing….hell with the right leadership–it would never have to come to that. Ron Paul 2008–or were through—amen
HELLO……this simply demonstrates that ALL of the sheeples are not asleep and as dumbed down as they are dipicted to be. There is a rumbling taking place in this country as we speak. If you don’t want Hillary, you had better put all of your chips on Ron Paul. He is the ONLY conservative candidate that has ANYTHING of essence to say and he has the record to back it up. Come on folks, how could you NOT agree with him? In all my years on this planet, I have never seen things in worse shape for this country. We have been systematically duped and led to the slaughter by both parties. I, for one, am pulling out ALL of the stops and working as much as it takes to get this guy elected. Otherwise we might as well put our head between our legs and kiss our @#$% GOODBYE!!!!
OH MY GOD. One mention of Paul and this site gets FLOODED with his supporters. It’s embarrassing, being a small-l libertarian, because the first thing I always get is — Hey, you support Ron Paul, then! —
Get me away from your conspiracy theorist conventions!
The sane libertarians (those who can identify the al-Qaeda threat) are with Rudy.
We New Yorkers used to call Guiliani “Adolph Guilani”. Because he is as far from liberterian as could be. Hah, what a joke, Guiliani Libertarian!
RE: The sane libertarians (those who can identify the al-Qaeda threat) are with Rudy.
Al-Qaeda is a made up farce that was invented around 9/11. I am more afraid of Rudy’s face than them. We don’t need a moron x-mayor as president. We need someone with congressional experience and a strong support for the constitution to get this country back on the right track. I think Ron Paul might just be the one to do so.
LOL, Rudy a libertarian- since when do libertarians support candidates that are in favor of federal funding for abortion (not that they oppose it because it’s for abortion, they oppose it because it is federal spending) and a strong advocate of gun-control? Even conservatives that don’t have strong libertarian leanings won’t support Rudy because of these things.
LOL Can U say troll everybody?
I’m a staunch Ron Paul supporter and in my personal life I’m pro-life. My political views are different. I believe it’s every woman’s right to decide if she wants to have a baby. Personally, I’d never kill any of mine, but if you’d like to off yours GO FOR IT.
There are too many unwanted kids in the world and too few “Pro-Life” christians adopting them. I say, get your butt to the adoption office and put your money where your mouth is….
I was a Libertarian for over 12 years. I now support any candidate who is honest, and not a member of the globalist elite.
Go Ron Paul!!
The sane libertarians (those who can identify the al-Qaeda threat) are with Rudy.
Rudy promotes the absurd conspiracy theory that ‘al-Qaeda’ conspires against us because “they hate our freedoms”, while Ron Paul argues that they hate us because the CIA and a non-libertarian US foreign policy has been messing up the Middle East since ‘53. Rudy advocates offensive, insane war; Paul defensive, sane peace. The differences go on and on . . . So-called ‘libertarians’ who support Rudy are either not very libertarian, or not very sane.
I had trouble with the seeming hypocrisy of pro-life/pro-capital punishment until someone explained it to me. The idea is that one of the few things government should do is protect innocent life. Someone who is given a death sentence theoretically has been found guilty of a crime warranting death as opposed to a baby who cannot have committed any crime. In passing Roe v. Wade, centralized government has taken the decision making responsibility for who lives and who dies away from the states and put itself above the states. This was an arrangement the founders attempted to prevent.
I personally hope that people will not be sidetracked by the abortion issue this coming election. Read through the Executive Orders to see that ALL choices about ANYTHING are being stripped from us. Look at the purchasing power of your dollars and project the trend into the future. We are on the threshold of a police state and there’s only one candidate who sees clearly how we got here and what has to be done to restore our rights. That message is registering with more and more people every day and if nothing else, it’s going to become a bumpy ride in 2008.
Ain’t it a cryin shame that nice guys are always destined to finish last?
“The sane libertarians (those who can identify the al-Qaeda threat) are with Rudy.”
Eric Dondero is that you? Only the most misguided and insane libertarian would identify themselves with ardent authoritarian and anti-freedom Rudy Guliani!
Those damn pesky Ron Paul internet geeks have figured out how to create 3-D holograms to spam the straw poll votes now. CNBC, how’d they do that???
Hey, Whodat in Texas!!
Maybe a little homework would do you good,
Then you’d have the facts like I know you should
Bein’ a Libertarian doesn’t let us off the hook,
for doing what we please or bein’ a crook
Liberty and freedom carry a heavy price to pay,
Like bein’ a responsible parent in every way
Doesn’t matter how or where,
In the “womb” or in the “room” It’s my duty to be fair,
Unneccessary life?? I can’t assume.
Just think, Whodat….YOU could have been an abortion…you are SO lucky… I think your parents may be Libertarians. Get your facts straight on Libertarians.
ThatLibertarianGuy “(those who can identify the al-Qaeda threat) are with Rudy.” There is no threat do some history homework.Your with Rudy? Then your with the real threat and thats no theory.Paul is the only one that would address the real threats facing our country.It is sad you dont know much about whats going on past and present.
The Ron Paul train is continuing to run smoothly, and the elites and their minions are panicking like never before. The two rats who “lead” the polls, HilLIEry Clinton and RudeY GiuLIEani, if anointed “puppet of the elites and Israel” aka President of the North American Union, umm I mean United States, scare me more than Bush does!
There is only one candidate that will carry the republicans to victory that of Ron Paul
Should he not be selected The Consevatives will be one big boat with no paddlers up that river of ill repute.
As for Christians on the Right their lack of support for Ron Paul will show that they are
only in favour of Bush types (Neo cons)Thus they will be maginalized.
Indeed the christian right is in disarray
their leaders are not coming out for Ron and yet many if not most Christians want Ron that poses a threst to their power base
I certainly don’t think the democrats are unbeatable ,they are weak on everything including ending an unholy war.
never the less the Democrats will win and perhaps they shall .if the powers that be bail on Ron paul then the republicans will concede defeat to the democrats and select Rude E Jew liani
this would gaurantee a democrat victory
which seems to be the way they want it to be
it continues the bush / clinton crime syndicate it is perhaps why they keep pushing
rude E Jewliani down the throats of the people
who are screaming only for 1 person loud and clear RON PAUL 2008
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between” Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like “America Deceived’ from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr.Ron Paul and end this madness.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov’t Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
Go Ron Paul!
Like it or not, people will not vote a Mormon President. It ain’t gonna happen.
Giuliani will NEVER win the GOP nomination. These phone polls the papers conduct only reach people who have no clue.
Fred Thompson is too sick to be in this race. That’s why he waited so long, and that’s why he’s canceling appearances.
Rudy and libertarians? No way, he is more of a neo-conservative-in-closet! give me a break…!
Is Ron Paul conservative? Here’s what the official campaign says:
A Ron Paul presidency will:
*end the IRS
*stop the central banker’s “inflation tax”
*let Americans keep more of their own money
*stop unconstitutional spending leading us to bankruptcy
*stop the financial dependency on China, Saudi Arabia, and other foreign govts
*bring our troops home from no-win “police actions”
*end “birthright” citizenship for illegal aliens
*secure our borders and end illegal immigration
* protect our constitutional rights and end the “Patriot” Act
* protect our privacy and stop the national ID card
* oppose trade deals and groups that threaten American Independence (incl. the UN, GATT, NAFTA, NAU, WTO, CAFTA, ICC)
Read the writings of our Founding Fathers to see their advice and wisdom.
ThatLibertarianGuy .
Guiliani? Supported by libertarians? Wow. that is the most I’ve laughed all day. Good one.
Wow. This was sure fun
Look how much was said!
But, its very late and I’m
Very old. I must now go to bed.
Let me remind all, however, that
The strongest laws are of DEMAND
And SUPPLY; fact: as long as women
Want abortions, they’ll be able to buy.
So, the great Reagan or Bush 1 or 2
Never challenged the abortion status quo
And the reality of what came to pass
With the issue of Wade and Roe.
Whodat like Paul, y’all, but skeptical…
Ugh! This makes me ashamed to be a libertarian! What is wrong with you idiots? Have you even read the writings of bin Laden and al Zawahiri?
They say they will stop the jihad against the West when:
*We pull all troops out of the Middle East
*All American companies leave the Middle East (or, alternately, they distribute profits amongst the umma — if you idiots even know what that is)
*We rescind support for Israel
I quite admire Dondero. I’m a Neal Boortz/Larry Elder libertarian. I’m a minarchist. I believe that the state should only exist to have a strong military, judiciary, and law enforcement. Privatize absolutely everything except those things; make everything legal that doesn’t involve the initiation of force.
Sane libertarians support Rudy because he’s the most libertarian of the candidates that understand the stakes in the war.
Ron Paul will never win because his supporters are 9/11 Truther idiots and people who that al-Qaeda is a “made up farce.” What is wrong with you morons?
“ThatLibertarianGuy .
Guiliani? Supported by libertarians? Wow. that is the most I’ve laughed all day. Good one.
”
Head on over to Race42008.com — ALL of the libertarian Republicans (small-l) support Rudy. At FreeRepublic, the right-wing nut site, they purge Rudy supporters because Rudy is a social moderate.
“Rudy promotes the absurd conspiracy theory that ‘al-Qaeda’ conspires against us because “they hate our freedoms”, while Ron Paul argues that they hate us because the CIA and a non-libertarian US foreign policy has been messing up the Middle East since ‘53. Rudy advocates offensive, insane war; Paul defensive, sane peace. The differences go on and on . . . So-called ‘libertarians’ who support Rudy are either not very libertarian, or not very sane. ”
Ron Paul is partially correct. But he’s a modern day Chamberlain. We’re not going to withdraw our support for Israel and we’re not going to make US businesses leave the Middle East. So we’re going to have to fight or allow a 9/11 every few years. Paul is an absolute idiot if he thinks pulling out every troop immediately will solve our problems — it will only intensify them. Only someone who doesn’t know what bin Laden believes would think that pulling our troops out of Iraq would make them leave us alone.
#53 and this reveal why Ron Paul will never be President:
“Go Ron Paul!
Like it or not, people will not vote a Mormon President. It ain’t gonna happen.
Giuliani will NEVER win the GOP nomination. These phone polls the papers conduct only reach people who have no clue.
Fred Thompson is too sick to be in this race. That’s why he waited so long, and that’s why he’s canceling appearances.”
Are you people totally f–king delusional?
Ron Paul is not going to win in Republican primaries for the Republican nomination because he is lacking support in one key constituency:
REPUBLICANS.
#53 — “There is only one candidate that will carry the republicans to victory that of Ron Paul
Should he not be selected The Consevatives will be one big boat with no paddlers up that river of ill repute.
As for Christians on the Right their lack of support for Ron Paul will show that they are
only in favour of Bush types (Neo cons)Thus they will be maginalized.
Indeed the christian right is in disarray
their leaders are not coming out for Ron and yet many if not most Christians want Ron that poses a threst to their power base
I certainly don’t think the democrats are unbeatable ,they are weak on everything including ending an unholy war.
never the less the Democrats will win and perhaps they shall .if the powers that be bail on Ron paul then the republicans will concede defeat to the democrats and select Rude E Jew liani
this would gaurantee a democrat victory
which seems to be the way they want it to be
it continues the bush / clinton crime syndicate it is perhaps why they keep pushing
rude E Jewliani down the throats of the people
who are screaming only for 1 person loud and clear RON PAUL 2008″
READ IT.
DEVOUR IT.
THAT IS AN AVERAGE RON PAUL SUPPORTER.
THAT IS WHY RON PAUL WILL NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Ron Paul will never get the Republican nomination even if it somehow becomes evident he could win in ‘08. This isn’t about the Republican or Democratic party winning the presidency. We can only be given false choices, such as between Clinton and Giuliani. Either one will perpetuate war ( “in perpetuity” per Pelosi) and continue the rubbing out of our sovereignty in favor of global corporatism. The same people manipulating this into place are the same ones who will benefit no matter which one wins. Heads they win, tails we lose.
Interesting results. But, how many of the voters are registered Republicans? Indeed, the 3rd-party registrants have probably skewed this straw poll.
…Do people think they can get away with spouting the inane, cliched crap like #65 without providing some specific examples?
(Answer: Yes.)
That’s nothing but rhetoric. Crappy populist rhetoric at that.
For those of you who are worried about Al Qaeda, I have provided a link below that should be looked at. Ron Paul is not bought and paid for by BIG OIL, or AIPAC, or Globalist Bankers. He is America first! You just can’t say that about the other canidates.
Al Qeada Is A Myth-click here
Excuse me, but when did a Libertarian
Candidate for president, including Ron Paul
Ever get more than 1 per cent of the vote?
That’s truly “marginal”, at best, y’all…
Whodat say Libertarians may be passionate
(but, very, very lonely…)
Like I said…it’s either Ron Paul or Hillary.
You decide.
Conservative, always have been. Libertarian, always have been. Republican, yep. Ron Paul supporter, I am now!
The man speaks truth to power, he educates the public everytime he opens his mouth! Most of the rest just repeat the same drool…. They hate us for our Freedom? Give me a break, they hate us for many reasons, on many levels… but they try to kill us because we interfere. We need a strong Defense not a crazy powerful Offense. Every country should know that to attack the US is suicide, but none should fear an attack by the USA if they don’t attack us.
We are powerful enough to gain most of our will through political means, the current crew does not trust the public enough to be honest about the reasons, goals and objectives of policy. We need honesty in high places, we need Ron Paul in the Whithouse.
What’s with this pro life deal? What there isn’t enough people? Why would you vote for a candidate just because of one issue? And better why pro life? Give me one advantage to overpopulation? Just one. I’ll give you fifty disadvantages. Why is this issue so important? I guess it’s like my momma used to say. Stupid is as stupid does.
Ron Paul’s supporters are the best argument against a Ron Paul victory.
Libertarian is basically classic conservative…you know, before those liberal Democrats got into the Republican party and created Neo-cons…like Bush.
Like Democrats, neo-cons overtax the people so they can overspend on foreign and domestic programs that make politicians and those that pay them off extremely wealthy.
Liberals and Neo-cons (basically the same thing) overspend on foreign and domestic programs. Oh, they pretend to disagree on issues. Whenever the media is distracting us with fake disagreements (which is all the time), libs and neos are working together to wreck the nation (e.g., erasing the borders).
Conservatives, Republicans, and Libertarians (basically the same thing) do not overspend on foreign and domestic programs.
There are VERY FEW true conservatives…further, Ron Paul’s consistently conservative voting record makes him very rare.
Yeah, Ron Paul is pro-life, so what?! If you understand that Ron Paul wants to put such matters to the state (eliminating him from the process). Ron Paul seeks to dethrone the presidency and generally push as much decision-making to the people as possible.
“Ron Paul’s supporters are the best argument against a Ron Paul victory.” What? Scared of freedom?
Get it straight. According to history, the Founding Fathers were weird. In fact, the original concept of this country, freedom, is weird. Thus, I am glad Ron Paul and his supporters appear weird…we actually want freedom…with all the pros and cons that come with it.
Others, though, keep compromising freedom for security, compassion, etc. Mind you, they force everyone else to pay for their compromise…because they don’t want to do it by themselves.
Anyway, we’ve compromised a free nation into just another mediocre imperialistic country. Oh, we are good at it, but even the best of imperialistic nations are mediocre civilizations. And, per history, we all know what imperialism leads to (Egypt, Germany, UK, Rome, ol’ Israel, Ottoman, etc.).
And what really did we sell out for? What does the ‘greatest nation ever’ give us? A great standard of living? On paper maybe, but the reality is that inflation and immoral usury practices typically have both parents working their entire lives with nothing but debt to show for it.
It is ‘normal’ to be self-indentured slaves. Only the ‘weird’ get out of debt and create wealth…only the weird seek true freedom.
The ironic thing is that most of the fears that people have about freedom are solved better in a free society than in what we have today.
Politicians will always be trying to get us to compromise freedom for something. It is up to us to remember what freedom truly brings.
““Ron Paul’s supporters are the best argument against a Ron Paul victory.” What? Scared of freedom?”
No. I’m scared of anti-Semitism, 9/11 Truthers, Chemtrail freaks and people who think that 9/11, the USS Cole, the WTC bombings of ‘93, the Madrid bombings and the London bombings were all products of a hoax.
I feel bad for Ron Paul. I like him. But he has a penchant for organizing the freaks of the political world into one tent. That’s not his fault — but it is reality.
Again, he can’t win the nomination in the Republican primary because he LACKS SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS. Look at his home page — there’s an advertisement featured prominently to change your party affiliation to vote for him!
It ain’t happenin’!
Paul’s getting plenty of support from conservatives from both parties…that’s why that party-change link is there. People from both ‘parties’ are seeing the big picture and aren’t being fooled by their propaganda anymore. Further a large portion of the country want someone of integrity in the office, someone who actually represents the original intent of the country.
And Ron Paul isn’t running on conspiracies. He has dismissed them publically. What more do you want…for him to chase away voters?
Sure some conspiracy folk are drawn to him for the wrong reasons, but all candidates draw folk who vote for them for the wrong reasons. So what? You vote for candidates based on issues, character, and voting record…not by peer pressure. Right?
Jeff Bridges starred in two movies that may be worth reviewing to help understand Ron Paul popularity and opposition. Tucker, based on the true-life struggles of an inventor/entrepreneur who brought his automotive innovations to life against all odds, and fulfilled his manufacturing quota to show good faith to his investors. He prevailed in court against those who falsely accused him of swindle: only to have the government and the big auto manufacturers block his factory from production. This appears to be the outcome hoped for by the GOP elite and the MSM spin-meisters.
The real political derby, as this site is so aptly named, is, however, found in comparing Ron Paul to SeaBiscuit. Although bred from champion constitutional lines, his performance
and potential were vastly underrated until those who really understood him and cared passionately enough, invested in him their talents, ingenuity, and meager resources. Against all odds, he rose from obscurity to win an unprecedented string of victories; the most notable one against the big-money backed champion of the East Coast, War Admiral.(Any guesses who that applies to in this comparison?)
My question back at #32 about how Ron Pauls’ win could happen unforeseen in this straw poll, over the top threes combined percentages, is still waiting for an answer. Are they betting on War Admiral, or are they hoping their influence will keep SeaBiscuit from ever running on the same track.
I can sympathize with ThatLibertarianGuys’ (TLG)embarrassment (#39) for being in anyway associated with Ron Paul. The shallow depth of his analysis, and the whiny tone of his contempt clearly indicate that the smallness of his(l)consonant is not the only issue to him for which size matters!
” I can sympathize with ThatLibertarianGuys’ (TLG)embarrassment (#39) for being in anyway associated with Ron Paul. The shallow depth of his analysis, and the whiny tone of his contempt clearly indicate that the smallness of his(l)consonant is not the only issue to him for which size matters!”
…That doesn’t even make any sense. What does that mean?
I am a small-l libertarian. The L is capitalized for aesthetic reasons.
I’m a libertarian Republican. I’d never join the Libertarian Party because they’re all obsessed with marijuana and the Patriot Act. Don’t you think there are more important issues, like, oh, say, dismantling the nanny state!? Potheads.
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Paul’s getting plenty of support from conservatives from both parties…that’s why that party-change link is there. People from both ‘parties’ are seeing the big picture and aren’t being fooled by their propaganda anymore. Further a large portion of the country want someone of integrity in the office, someone who actually represents the original intent of the country.
And Ron Paul isn’t running on conspiracies. He has dismissed them publically. What more do you want…for him to chase away voters?
Sure some conspiracy folk are drawn to him for the wrong reasons, but all candidates draw folk who vote for them for the wrong reasons. So what? You vote for candidates based on issues, character, and voting record…not by peer pressure. Right?”
Ron Paul is running away from conspiracy theorists? Which explains why he appears on the Alex Jones show.
Ron Paul and his Anarcho-Libertarian nut jobs are trying to make it look as if the GOP is being taken over by their kooky conspiracy theory crowd but it’s not going to happen.
Anarchy is a very poor platform to run on, folks, and just because you all are great online, doesn’t mean it shows up much in national polling, or on election day.
Mad How Dean was also riding high online in 2004, but he lost big time because people saw he was a nut. They already see that with Ron Paul, so you folks can just go back to your basements and weave 9/11 conspiracies now, because it’s all over.
BTW: There is no need to fear conspiracy folk. They just don’t trust the government and the influences on the government. Such folk want to keep the reigns on US politicians very tight. That’s a good thing. US politicians should be held accountable for their actions a LOT more than they are today.
And as far as Paul and anti-semitism…that weak-@ss piece of mudslinging has been debunked:
Sarcastic view of the anti-semite myth (this also points out Ron Paul’s VAST economic knowledge):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lup9DgYNRk4
Jews for Ron Paul:
http://www.jews4ronpaul.org
Ron Paul meetup group in Israel
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=50077
Orthodox Jews and Muslims together protesting zionism/AIPAC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSlsiW9hT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClbNB-qNRA
US and Israel people (not our/their leaders) know this is NOT the way to go about building Israel…heck, most of the damn world knows it…and Ron Paul and his supporters know it too. This effort in the middle east is not fundamentally American, nor fundamentally Jewish. It is just the next conquest in a long line of imperialistic conquests.
Alex Jones? Anarchy?
And you call Ron Paul folk conspiracy theorists.
Try discussing the issues.
Do you really trust the GOP to seal the border?
Do you really believe the income tax is necessary? or in agreeance with the intent of this country?
Do you really agree with overtaxing and overspending? Do you think any candidate beside Ron Paul would try to stop it?
Would you personally attack Iran…do you really trust the government/media THAT much? Can you admit that they have lied/misinformed you about Iraq and Iran?
What is the purpose of the federal government?
Why should we further leave the original intent of this country? Why should we leave freedom?
Holy cow!
I just found out that this straw poll was sponsored by PoliticalDerby.com and 411Communications. It was executed onsite by Jason Wright and Stephen Fountain of PoliticalDerby.com in Reno, Nevada.
http://www.usastrawpolls.com doesn’t have it posted yet; HOWEVER, the site posted a summary of the post-debate polls (cell phone and online polls). Ron Paul clearly won most of those by landslides.
Oh yeah, I forgot…thanks for doing the poll PD.
You’re welcome! It was great fun. (Though traveling with Stephen was a trying experience, I assure you!)
“Try discussing the issues.
Do you really trust the GOP to seal the border?
Do you really believe the income tax is necessary? or in agreeance with the intent of this country?
Do you really agree with overtaxing and overspending? Do you think any candidate beside Ron Paul would try to stop it?
Would you personally attack Iran…do you really trust the government/media THAT much? Can you admit that they have lied/misinformed you about Iraq and Iran?
What is the purpose of the federal government?
Why should we further leave the original intent of this country? Why should we leave freedom? ”
I LIKE RON PAUL. I would vote for him if he supported the war! I am pro-voluntary taxation, do not trust the GOP to seal the border, and am for following the Constitution to a T. I’m against the Military Commissions Act.
I’m also against losing wars! In hindsight, we shouldn’t have gone in, but we don’t get to make decisions in hindsight. Ron Paul wants to pretend like we never went in and that Iraq will be just the way we found it. IT WON’T BE. We have to institute a stable government there before we leave or we’re REALLY gonna be in for trouble. They’re not gonna “follow us over” or some crap like that, but al-Qaeda WILL have an even more friendly government than Saddam Hussein was to them.
“And as far as Paul and anti-semitism…that weak-@ss piece of mudslinging has been debunked:”
Not Ron Paul. His supporters. If you’d read what I wrote about how I feel bad for him because his supporters are a bunch of fools. There was someone on this board that called Rudy “Rude E Jew liani” …What!?
Wow, this is alot of Ron Paul guys, congrats on winning the straw poll.
“LIKE RON PAUL. I would vote for him if he supported the war!”
So not only are you a one-issue voter…you choose this to be your one issue. The war in Iraq (despite what the media says) was a success.
“We have to institute a stable government there before we leave or we’re REALLY gonna be in for trouble. They’re not gonna “follow us over” or some crap like that, but al-Qaeda WILL have an even more friendly government than Saddam Hussein was to them.”
So says the same people who told us ‘they hate us for our freedom’ and ‘they have weapons of mass destruction’. You are listening to the same people who were wrong/lied in the first place.
You do know this isn’t a liberation, it’s a conquest…it’s to establish another base (besides Israel) in the middle east.
There really is two sets of discussions going on:
1. The mainstream discussion.
2. The Ron Paul discussion.
BTW: I’m from the South…trust me, Reconstruction equates to destruction of economy, culture, and pits groups of people against one another. Installing a puppet regime in Iraq will backfire like the Shah of Iran and the president of Haiti.
Sure some conspiracy folk are drawn to him for the wrong reasons, but all candidates draw folk who vote for them for the wrong reasons. So what? You vote for candidates based on issues, character, and voting record…not by peer pressure. Right?
What has REALLY changed since 9/11? Very little. Extremists have been against us for a long time, but we didn’t feel the need to go after them until after 9/11. If we decide that we need to go after everyone who opposes us and tries to attack us, we’ll be fighting wars until this country goes bankrupt.
The best way to stop our enemies is with a strong national defense, not through aggressive wars. Ron Paul is not anti-defense, but he IS against aggressive wars.
Other than his social libertarianism, Rudy is in no way similar to a libertarian. You might as well vote for a democrat. At least they appreciate civil liberties.
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